Twisted reserve... video (DeLand)

[pchapman 279]

That's certainly a possibility. At SOME point the Skyhook disconnected, as the main canopy clearly wasn't trailing while the freebag was mixed up with the reserve.

It is hard (at least with my software) to step through the downloaded FLV file in small increments or measure fractions of a second.

But stopping the video one can see a point where the risers release, the right one moving off a very tiny bit slower as it is pulling the RSL lanyard tight. Very soon after, a white flash of bridle goes by the right side of the screen, under tension, moving up towards where the risers went.

Because of the very short time between those events I'm thinking the Skyhook is still connected at that point, but I can't be sure.

(All within the 29th second of the video - and I can't see finer grained time codes -- he goes from having both risers connected, to the risers releasing, to reserve bridle going by, to both reserve risers seen either side of his head, to seeing his toes up by the horizon. It is all very fast and suggests but doesn't prove the Skyhook was involved in pulling the bag out.)

So I'm still thinking that it is more likely that the entanglement happened during
a) the Skyhook deployment sequence,
rather than
b) the Skyhook detaching very early and the problem being an out of sequence reserve deployment "just on its own".

So we're still trying to figure out for sure how the reserve pilot chute or bridle "got under" the reserve freebag.

[Hellis 0]

Why release the brakes before all twists are out?

[pchapman 279]

Why release brakes?

Because he was stuck in a spiral dive, canopy on the horizon, with line twists at very low altitude.

It isn't 'standard procedure' at all but that's what's interesting about it, that the brake lines did slide through the twists. Hard to tell exactly, but when did something with the brakes he got out of the dive.

There weren't many twists left so that influences things, and suggest that he might have untwisted himself normally. But he presumably went to plan B as it didn't look like he was going to be able to do so in time.

After he untwists and looks down, he was then 14 seconds from landing, including maybe a couple seconds extra time from the flare. I'm guessing he was at maybe 300 feet while still in the fast spiral dive with line twists.

[Skyper 0]

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This is worth Gear & Rigging not just Bonfire, because of the implications! [I have now made a new thread there, linking to this thread.]

I found it by accident while searching on more info about latest incident on DeLand. This one is old, and it was not previously reported in incidents so I thought maybe it's worth a bonfire topic.

Feel free to put/cut/paste/move whereever you want.

[Hellis 0]

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Why release brakes?

Because he was stuck in a spiral dive, canopy on the horizon, with line twists at very low altitude.

It isn't 'standard procedure' at all but that's what's interesting about it, that the brake lines did slide through the twists. Hard to tell exactly, but when did something with the brakes he got out of the dive.

There weren't many twists left so that influences things, and suggest that he might have untwisted himself normally. But he presumably went to plan B as it didn't look like he was going to be able to do so in time.

After he untwists and looks down, he was then 14 seconds from landing, including maybe a couple seconds extra time from the flare. I'm guessing he was at maybe 300 feet while still in the fast spiral dive with line twists.

I can't tell from the video when he release the brakes, I can just see that when he has one or two twists left the toggles has been pulled.

I would wait untill I have the canopy under control, menaing no twist.
As you said, if the lines would get cought it cough make it worse.

Did not know it was standard procedure.

[sundevil777 102]

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Though this video kinda makes me appreciate the fact that i dont use an RSL, a clean break away gives you a better chance to be stable while deploying your reserve( i realize this does not apply to every jumper).....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7MoXNkToxA

If you are a regular skydiver, this thought process is not going with the odds. Having an RSL is many times safer than not having one. You are using an exception for your rule! Same as watching TV and thinking that it is real life. Maybe 1%.

For some, the choice of not using an RSL is based not on the overall you're better off with an RSL odds. It is based on the willingness to accept a mistake of my own that might kill me (not pulling my own reserve soon enough), and unwillingness to accept that this particular backup mechanism might do me in.

I think the guy with the big beard seems to agree, in that he has at least implied (if not said explicitly) strongly that a normal RSL is not acceptable to him, that he would not jump it.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[danornan 79]

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Though this video kinda makes me appreciate the fact that i dont use an RSL, a clean break away gives you a better chance to be stable while deploying your reserve( i realize this does not apply to every jumper).....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7MoXNkToxA

If you are a regular skydiver, this thought process is not going with the odds. Having an RSL is many times safer than not having one. You are using an exception for your rule! Same as watching TV and thinking that it is real life. Maybe 1%.

For some, the choice of not using an RSL is based not on the overall you're better off with an RSL odds. It is based on the willingness to accept a mistake of my own that might kill me (not pulling my own reserve soon enough), and unwillingness to accept that this particular backup mechanism might do me in.

I think the guy with the big beard seems to agree, in that he has at least implied (if not said explicitly) strongly that a normal RSL is not acceptable to him, that he would not jump it.

Al least it was OK until he came up with an alternative, the sky-hook.

Dano

[virgin-burner 1]

just goes to prove my point, 2500ft is too low for deployment..

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