br0k3n 0 #1 March 2, 2005 I've had a look around the interweb and searched the forums, but I cant seem to track down what sizes the original Safire was made in.. Anyone able point me in the right direction..... -Oli----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #2 March 2, 2005 Whatever size yours is it's too small for you with your jump numbers. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #3 March 2, 2005 QuoteWhatever size yours is it's too small for you with your jump numbers. Your Probably right,,,, Just a thought have you checked to make sure you haven't left "all" your climbing gear at the at the "climbing" gym last night, "again" ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #4 March 2, 2005 Be careful, or I might just post a link to the video entitled "Oli Fraps In". Remember, when you front risered it into the ground, it's a good one... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travman 6 #5 March 2, 2005 Was that late last year? I remember going up in the plane and hearing "No one land near the ambulance" Heard someone had broken their leg from a front riser turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #6 March 2, 2005 QuoteBe careful, or I might just post a link to the video entitled "Oli Fraps In". Remember, when you front risered it into the ground, it's a good one... fuck yeah, that hurt like at bitch... still managed to get 2 more jumps in that day...----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #7 March 2, 2005 QuoteWas that late last year? I remember going up in the plane and hearing "No one land near the ambulance" Heard someone had broken their leg from a front riser turn. No that wasn't me..... somehow I managed not to break anything, which after you have seen the video is quite remarkable.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #8 March 2, 2005 QuoteI've had a look around the interweb and searched the forums, but I cant seem to track down what sizes the original Safire was made in.. some where alongthe lines of 119, 129, 149, 169, 189.... but then again those were thier placarded sizes.... if you measure them with pd's method they would be 8% smaller.... so the safire 149i have is actually closer to 138....... they changed the way they measure them when they released the safire2 ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #9 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI've had a look around the interweb and searched the forums, but I cant seem to track down what sizes the original Safire was made in.. some where alongthe lines of 119, 129, 149, 169, 189.... but then again those were thier placarded sizes.... if you measure them with pd's method they would be 8% smaller.... so the safire 149i have is actually closer to 138....... they changed the way they measure them when they released the safire2 Is it possible to order a safire in any size you want, e.g could a safire 134 exist?----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #10 March 2, 2005 I suppose you could get a 149 and a pair of scissors.... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #11 March 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI've had a look around the interweb and searched the forums, but I cant seem to track down what sizes the original Safire was made in.. some where alongthe lines of 119, 129, 149, 169, 189.... but then again those were thier placarded sizes.... if you measure them with pd's method they would be 8% smaller.... so the safire 149i have is actually closer to 138....... they changed the way they measure them when they released the safire2 Is it possible to order a safire in any size you want, e.g could a safire 134 exist? Yes my Safire 1 was a 135 (so it was ~126 sqft). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #12 March 2, 2005 So a safire 134 would in fact be 123 sqft ! Is that correct ?----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #13 March 2, 2005 I repost this from time to time when the subject of the original Safire comes up I e-mailed Icarus and explained that this had been talked about here and if they could give me a reply that I could post so here is Icarus's reply The Safire-1 and the Omega are measured differently to PD canopies. As a rough guide a Safire-1 or Omega is about the same size as the next size down - eg A Safire 149 is about a 135. A Safire 119 is about a 109. Use an equation of 8%. The Safire-2 and Omni (Omni supercedes Omega) are measured the same as PD. All other Icarus Canopies are measured the same as PD. The reason for the difference is due to Precision measuring their canopies differently. Icarus have always measured the same as PD however when we originally commenced in the USA, Precision were building parachutes for us under license and were doing it using their size equations and not Icarus/PD's. We have therefore had to wait to supercede these models to change the size equation. Only the Safire and Omega were affected. Blue skies Simon Icarus Canopies USA: 1S671 Bender Lane, West Chicago, IL 60185, USA Ph. (630) 562-2735, Fax (630) 231-4430 Europe: P.I. El Ramassar, c/ Vallés, s/n O8520, Les Franqueses, Barcelona, SPAIN. Ph. (34) 938 496 432, Fax (34) 938 497 971 www.icaruscanopies.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #14 March 2, 2005 QuoteIs it possible to order a safire in any size you want, e.g could a safire 134 exist? Yes you could custom order a Safire in ANY size. That was one of their big selling points. If you wanted a 134.5 you could get one. But remember that based on the measuring differences, it will be much smaller. -OKTime flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #15 March 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteIs it possible to order a safire in any size you want, e.g could a safire 134 exist? Yes you could custom order a Safire in ANY size. That was one of their big selling points. If you wanted a 134.5 you could get one. But remember that based on the measuring differences, it will be much smaller. -OK so if you ordered a 134, then tail label of the canopy it would read 134? or 123? (8%)----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #16 March 3, 2005 This only applies to the original Safire(not the Safire 2), if you ordered a 134 it would state on the label 134 but would accutaully measure around 124 if being compared to a PD product. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #17 March 3, 2005 I had a Safire 169 and compared it to a Sabre 150. When you take the fact the the Safire is tappered, it makes it hard to compare exactly. So, I took the measurments from the top skin of each and made a 9" thick model in a solid CAD program and compared the over all volume of each. It came out that my 169 Safire was just a tad smaller than the Sabre 150. Kirk PS If you do a search I posted the exact dimensions along time ago on this web site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #18 March 3, 2005 I've compared my original Safire1-139 (made by Precision) and g/f's Spectre-135. Can't say Safire is smaller. Even think it is actually a bit bigger. However Spectre flew like it is two sizes bigger compared to the Safire. So where is the truth? By the way, are Safires made by NZ Aerosports smaller that Precision's ones? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #19 March 3, 2005 You say if I trade my Safire-139 for a Safire2-129 I won't find any difference? Well, I'll have this opportunity in two days. Just to test it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #20 March 3, 2005 QuoteBy the way, are Safires made by NZ Aerosports smaller that Precision's ones? The wording in the post giving Icarus's answer would seem to indicate that this sizing issue only effected canopies made by Precision... thus only those one's in the states. Canopies made in NZ or in Spain may therefore not be effected... but I don't know - this is simply what the post above seems to indicate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TALONSKY 0 #21 March 3, 2005 If you read the reply Icarus sent me all original Safire’s are affected not just the one’s made in the USA (in their response to me they blame Precision Aerodynamics for the discrepancy). I had an original Safire made in Spain. As far as comparing a Safire 1 139 to a Safire 2 129 they should be the same size but will not fly the same. The Safire 2 has a shorter recovery arc then the Safire 1. Kirk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #22 March 3, 2005 Thanks you for the valuable info! QuoteAs far as comparing a Safire 1 139 to a Safire 2 129 they should be the same size but will not fly the same. The Safire 2 has a shorter recovery arc then the Safire 1. That is not good... I like my Safire1 recovery arc, but there aren't a lot of Safire1's on market now. I thought trading 1-139 for a 2-129 will go unnoticed for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #23 March 3, 2005 The Safire2 does have a shorter recovery arc than the original Safire, but it is also a completely different wing. Give it a decent number of jumps before you decide if it is a good or bad thing. When I started swooping (Safire1 209) and was ready to downsize I wondered if I should go to a xfire2 or a Safire2. I chose the Safire2 and was not dissappointed. It didnt have the longer recovery arc that the Xfire2 has, but it was an excelent transitional canopy at that loading (1.4:1). Also, concerning the sizing, all parties involved felt it was better to keep the sizing the same across the board for the canopies (safire1 and omega) until a new canopy was released to keep the confusion to a minimum. Give the Safire2 a shot and I believe you will be very happy with it. If you have any questions, give me a shout. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DancingFlame 0 #24 March 14, 2005 QuoteGive the Safire2 a shot and I believe you will be very happy with it. Gave it a shot. Now jumping Safire1-129 that flies much better and have a lot more flare. Especially with 5 kg of lead So, I'm still with 1s. Good old ones... and a lot cheaper that 2s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #25 March 14, 2005 Thats why it's good to jump different canopies. I havent heard from one person yet that has jumped both that thought the safire1 had a stronger flare than the safire2. I'm glad you are happy! Be Safe. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
