muff528 3 #76 March 11, 2011 Quote Waiter, I think I'll have a nice Napa whine to go with that word salad. And could I get more nuts? Yes! I agree completely! It all does seem to fit ...doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #77 March 11, 2011 QuoteWaiter, I think I'll have a nice Napa whine to go with that word salad. And could I get more nuts? What is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #78 March 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteWaiter, I think I'll have a nice Napa whine to go with that word salad. And could I get more nuts? What is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? I've heard that is has a lot to do with the randomness and uncontrollability of them. The "nut cases" are unable to believe that something like this could "just happen", and by "just happening" anytime and anywhere, could happen to them. Therefore, it must be a conspiracy. Or if it is a natural disaster, there must be someone out there who can predict it, and because the method of prediction isn't "mainstream", the person is vilified and outcast by the "establishment". For actions by lone individuals or small groups, the same sort of rationalization applies. Because JFK was such an important person, and had such potential for making the world a better place, it isn't possible for one lone nutcase to have assasinated him. It must have been a huge conspiracy. These nutcases simply cannot accept the randomness and unpredictability of life."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gaz511 0 #79 March 11, 2011 My Japanese girlfriend died in the tsunami. oh well, there's plenty more in the sea Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #80 March 11, 2011 QuoteMy Japanese girlfriend died in the tsunami. oh well, there's plenty more in the sea Stay classy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #81 March 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Reports say that all the nuke plants are safe and OK - some auto sut down. lets hope it stays that way... http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3 Quote The operator of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant reported an abnormality Friday following a powerful earthquake which hit a wide area in northeastern Japan including Fukushima Prefecture, the industry ministry said. The system to cool reactor cores in case of emergency stopped at the No. 1 and No. 2 reactors of the plant operated by Tokyo Electric Power Co., it said. There are reports that the Japanese PM will declare a nuclear emergency. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3#ixzz1GHt37wQn that is NOT good! they need DAYS to cool the core, even if it's not in operation anymore.. i've had a bad feeling about this. first they evacuated within 3km, then 10km, now it's 20km. the reactor blew up, the core has melted. this is the next chernobyl my friends.. remember when that happened, nobody knew for two days. the information-politics was just as shady as what the japanese are doing now. this is NOT good! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #82 March 12, 2011 out of 4 reactors at the same site, one blown up, and the other 3 reactors now also report that cooling those cores has now also failed.. jesus-FUCKING-christ! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #83 March 12, 2011 QuoteWhat is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? What is it with the people that wait until after something bad has happened to make up a story about how they predicted it would happen, just to get some attention? And why do people believe them?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #84 March 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? What is it with the people that wait until after something bad has happened to make up a story about how they predicted it would happen, just to get some attention? And why do people believe them? I knew someone would come in here and say that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #85 March 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? What is it with the people that wait until after something bad has happened to make up a story about how they predicted it would happen, just to get some attention? And why do people believe them? I knew someone would come in here and say that. Wow! That's amazing. How did you make such an accurate prediction?? On a serious note, the containment building seems to have collapsed at the nuke plant. The "steel storage machine" (reactor vessel?) is intact for now, but they aren't allowing anyone close and are talking about distributing iodine. Not good. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110312/ts_nm/us_japan_quake"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #86 March 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote What is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? What is it with the people that wait until after something bad has happened to make up a story about how they predicted it would happen, just to get some attention? And why do people believe them? I knew someone would come in here and say that. Wow! That's amazing. How did you make such an accurate prediction?? On a serious note, the containment building seems to have collapsed at the nuke plant. The "steel storage machine" (reactor vessel?) is intact for now, but they aren't allowing anyone close and are talking about distributing iodine. Not good. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110312/ts_nm/us_japan_quake dont believe a word; when the concrete shell broke down, the containment (that is the steel veseel) cant be intact anymore.. i've worked quite some in nuclear power plants and have some sort of idea about this. also, if caesium-levels are elevated, that means the core is massively damaged and is OPEN. containment is fucked. put on your tinfoil-suits and run for cover! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #87 March 12, 2011 Who said cesium is escaping? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #88 March 12, 2011 Quote Quote Quote What is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? What is it with the people that wait until after something bad has happened to make up a story about how they predicted it would happen, just to get some attention? And why do people believe them? I knew someone would come in here and say that. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #89 March 12, 2011 QuoteWho said cesium is escaping? the news since 11AM this morning my time.. why do you think they adivse to take the iodium-pills and have a 12mile-evacuation zone by last i heard!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #90 March 12, 2011 I had not seen that. Iodine tablets are used to protect the thyroid from iodine 131, not cesium. In any case, if fission products are getting out, then the fuel is damaged. That's a big problem. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #91 March 12, 2011 QuoteI had not seen that. Iodine tablets are used to protect the thyroid from iodine 131, not cesium. In any case, if fission products are getting out, then the fuel is damaged. That's a big problem. well, caesium is measured; that means the core is broke and exposed..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #92 March 12, 2011 Hopefully the reactor vessel is intact and they are venting it to keep the pressure down while it cools. Somehow the thing vented enough hydrogen and oxygen to blow up the outer shell building, so that means there might be broken pipes or that the reactor vessel has been breached. One news report said thet they're pumping raw seawater in as coolant. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #93 March 12, 2011 well, raw (sea- or -whatever) water wont help, especially once the core, as there, is out of control. you'll need a moderator added; like boracic acid for example.. as i said, this went completely out of control there by now..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #94 March 12, 2011 and also, cooling a nuclear powerplant is not like cooling everything else you may know. the core-temparature is enough to produce something like 600lbs of steam, at a temparature of way over 300°C; per second!!! i cant really remember how high core-temparature is, but anyway.. it is HIGH! as i've said, i've worked ina couple nuclear powerplants, i even had the possibility to touch a couple containers that have worn out fuel rods in them. when i say, one of those things in your basement would be fine to heat your neighbourhood and your house for the next couple hundred years.. they are WARM. and that is only after they were cooled a LOT before they wwere planted in those containers and you were allowed to go near them; at least for a short amount of time. people dont have a clue when it comes to nuclear powerplants really..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #95 March 12, 2011 I am sure glad New Zealand is nuclear free.... That is some disturbing shit, as if japan doesn not already have enough to worry about. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #96 March 12, 2011 Quote Quote Waiter, I think I'll have a nice Napa whine to go with that word salad. And could I get more nuts? What is it about disasters that brings out the nut cases and their conspiracy theories? could you please start a new thread about that kind of stuff instead of having NOISE in a thread about over much more than 2000 dead people ? and over 10'000 dissapeared... scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #97 March 12, 2011 Intersting read... http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/Fukushimafactsheet.pdfBirdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #98 March 12, 2011 Quotewell, raw (sea- or -whatever) water wont help, especially once the core, as there, is out of control. you'll need a moderator added; like boracic acid for example.. as i said, this went completely out of control there by now.. Boron is not a moderator, it's a neutron poison or absorber. Water is the moderator in that reactor. The moderator slows the neutrons, and without a moderator the reactor will not achieve criticality. It's very unlikely that the reactor is critical at this point. The control rods were probably automatically inserted when the quake was detected. The heat they are trying to remove is residual heat from the thermal mass of the fuel as well as decay heat. http://www.brighthub.com/engineering/mechanical/articles/2604.aspx http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/nuclear-poison-or-neutron-poison.html "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #99 March 13, 2011 i think your wisdom of moderators or coolants is flawed.. but hey, to each their own!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #100 March 13, 2011 Quotei think your wisdom of moderators or coolants is flawed.. but hey, to each their own! You should read the following links. "The light water reactor or LWR is a type of thermal reactor that uses normal water as its coolant and neutron moderator" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_water_reactor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_poison "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
