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I love my sabre2, but it definitely turns on every opening. Linetwists are pretty uncommon for me, but happen on occasion and have never been a big deal. Yesterday my canopy decided to do 360s on most openings. Rear risers seem to be totally ineffective while the canopy is doing it's thing. Last week (jumped on wednesday!) it turned me in an inconvenient direction on opening (toward traffic). As it turned me to the left, I tried to correct with right rear riser. A little pull... nothing. Little more... nothing. Finally found myself really holding a lot of rear riser and it rather suddenly whipped around to the right... probably stalled half the canopy as it picked up some forward speed.
For the most part the openings are annoying but not too bad. A 360 puts me back on-heading, right?
Still no clue what causes them. Could be my packing.
Dave
For the most part the openings are annoying but not too bad. A 360 puts me back on-heading, right?
Still no clue what causes them. Could be my packing.
Dave
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QuoteStill no clue what causes them. Could be my packing.
Have you thought about sending it in for testing? It might be worth your while. Everyone told me the problems I had with mine were body position or packing but after testing it PD has decided to make me a new one.
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because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon
Q: How do you cure off-heading openings on a Sabre2?
A: Buy a Safire...
Seriously though, having jumped a few Sabre2s, even different canopies of the same size, I was never happy with the openings... they always felt very "searchy" and whipped me around more than a few times, but never slammed me, go figure.
I liked how the Sabre2s flew and flared but didn't like the crap being potentially scared out of me on every opening.
A: Buy a Safire...
Seriously though, having jumped a few Sabre2s, even different canopies of the same size, I was never happy with the openings... they always felt very "searchy" and whipped me around more than a few times, but never slammed me, go figure.
I liked how the Sabre2s flew and flared but didn't like the crap being potentially scared out of me on every opening.
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QuoteQuoteI tend to get end cell closures every opening and have heard that I may not be loading this canopy enough.
QuoteBullshit.
I went out on a Sabre2 170 on Friday and I got endcell closure on a nice soft opening. Loading the canopy to 1.7:1.
So if that's the case, should I have to load a Sabre2 at over 2:1 to stop getting endcell closure?
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the way i read lowie's comment was that lightly loaded Sabre2's may tend to have end cell closures (mine does, loaded at 1.02), not that the only time they happen is on lightly loaded canopies.
Michael Hart
I had the same problem on my brand new sabre 2 150. Diving to the right almost every jump, and putting in line twists on a few occasions. Had it packed by 3 other people including a senior rigger, and the same thing happened. I spoke to PD, riggers, other owners, left posts on here, and I did everything that was suggested, but with no resolution. The last straw was when it wound up, turned into a high speed spinning mal, and left me hanging under my reserve. Its now back with PD getting checked over. Even though I'm a newbie, I've packed close on 100 pack jobs, 60 of which have been on two Hornet 150s, and 25 on a ZP170, and I never had this problem before. I hope it gets resolved. PD have been great about it and arranged a loaner for me in the UK
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The Sabre 2 is for sure a great canopy. For ease of landing/bottom flare, it beats my Safire-2 hands down.
Opted for the Safire-2 because it felt crispier in the air, at least at my size and wing load. Besides, if I went for a Sabre 2, I'd be doing nothing but takeoff landings with that massive flare that canopy has!
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It sure isn't a fast opening canopy though (the Safire-2). The Sabre's I've tried have been snappy and quick (but not uncomfortable), whereas relatively new Safires tend (IMHO) to like to take it easy. Then when they get a bit worn, they get more snappy.
Of course the Icarus IKAROOOS! VS PD fun war going on at my DZ had absolutely no influence in my decision to go for a Safire 2 119 rather than a Sabre 2 120
Opted for the Safire-2 because it felt crispier in the air, at least at my size and wing load. Besides, if I went for a Sabre 2, I'd be doing nothing but takeoff landings with that massive flare that canopy has!
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It sure isn't a fast opening canopy though (the Safire-2). The Sabre's I've tried have been snappy and quick (but not uncomfortable), whereas relatively new Safires tend (IMHO) to like to take it easy. Then when they get a bit worn, they get more snappy.
Of course the Icarus IKAROOOS! VS PD fun war going on at my DZ had absolutely no influence in my decision to go for a Safire 2 119 rather than a Sabre 2 120
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Quotethe way i read lowie's comment was that lightly loaded Sabre2's may tend to have end cell closures
Based on my (very limited) experience, I'd agree. I made 5 Sabre 2 jumps Saturday, and had end cell closures on 3 of them. It was loaded almost 1.3:1, so it wasn't even that lightly loaded.
Nice canopy, very consistent and predictable. But, well, I like my Diablo better. More fun
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
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the way i read lowie's comment was that lightly loaded Sabre2's may tend to have end cell closures (mine does, loaded at 1.02), not that the only time they happen is on lightly loaded canopies.
Ok, I can see that, I just read it a little differently.
I'd agree that Sabre2's tend to open with end cell closure, but that's generally after a nice soft opening, especially with a lighter WL.
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Not had any end closure as of yet just a lot of turning on openings had numerous people pack because i thought it was me....But i still love the 150
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How does bagging the canopy one corner at a time cause it to dive?
If your canopy is opening up quite often with line twists, you haven't solved your packing problems.
I dont know how bagging it one corner at a time should make any difference but a rigger at the DZ reviewed my packing and suggested the changes to my packing. As for the line twists - doesnt happen every time maybe 1 in 4 and seems to happen whether i pack it or someone very experienced packs it. I tend to get end cell closures every opening and have heard that I may not be loading this canopy enough. There have been plenty of posts on Sabre 2 openings saying the same sort of thing by others so it doesnt sound like an isolated thing. Interested in your opinion though
How much line do you leave between the risers and the last bite? Do you pull the lines coming off the risers all the way down to the bottom of the container? How large of a loop do you leave in the lines when wrapping them with the rubber bands? Are the loops of consistent size? What size rubber bands do you use? If you use medium or large, have you tried the smaller ones? Have you given any thought to what you may be doing differently when you have a good on heading opening?
Bullshit.
I went out on a Sabre2 170 on Friday and I got endcell closure on a nice soft opening. Loading the canopy to 1.7:1.
So if that's the case, should I have to load a Sabre2 at over 2:1 to stop getting endcell closure?
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