Question on legalized pot

[DiverMike 5]

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But if that driver wants to smoke a little weed when he is at home why should anyone have the right to tell him what he can or can't do.

The biggest problem is determining the mental affect of marijuana based on current testing involving urine or hair. I don't think anybody truly believes that having trace TCH in your hair follicles affects your mental state. It is the THC that is in the cellular membranes of the brain that has a mental affect and testing that would be highly invasive. Maybe the amount of THC in saliva has a more direct correlation with the amount of THC in the brain. I wish there were a test that indicates how 'high' someone really is, but there isn't.

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[riggerrob 643]

That is the key to libertarian philosophy.

"You have all the freedoms in the world, but your freedoms end at my nose."

[d_squared431 0]

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That is the key to libertarian philosophy.

"You have all the freedoms in the world, but your freedoms end at my nose."

What post are you referring to?

Everyone has the right to do as they please as long as it is in there own home. If you want or have the need to be told what to do or not to do then get a damn wife. I am sure you can find one who will tell you what and when to do anything 24/7.

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[freefal 0]

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I wish there were a test that indicates how 'high' someone really is, but there isn't.

That's the biggest hurdle involved with medical MJ, or legal/recreational MJ if that comes to pass, IMO. A breathalizer gives a fairly accurate representation of how "drunk" someone is (although this varies a lot between individuals) so making laws based on blood alcohol levels makes sense because the laws are essentially based on a person's intoxication level.

There doesn't seem to be an accurate test to determine how "high" someone is since THC can stay in their body for days, weeks, etc. depending on the argument and testing method. Perhaps all the changes in medical MJ laws will lead to more research and development into better testing methods. Until that happens though, it's theoretically possible for someone to loose their job because the stood next to a stoner at a party the weekend before.

"Ignorance is bliss" and "Patience is a virtue"... So if you're stupid and don't mind waiting around for a while, I guess you can have a pretty good life!

[ryoder 1,590]

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Good thing politicians don't make such decisions while drinking then.

But that would certainly explain a lot of their decisions.

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[normiss 798]

Having spent time in DC working for a major telco's Law and Government Affairs division (the lobbying division ) I was amazed at what sort of "events" they hosted for politicians in order to gain votes.

Sure did appreciate the secure underground parking in the winter though. All those poor peons trekking across those HUGE parking lots.

[riggerrob 643]

Agreed!

Different people have different thresholds before they act "drunk."

Back in my "drunken sailor" days, I drove home drunk hundreds of times. Even had conversations with three cops, none of whom asked if I was drunk!

Like a buddy once told me: "Rob can walk a straight line when he is drunk, just don't ask him to carry on a conversation!"

Similarly, a cousin (who retired from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as a Staff Sargeant) told me about breathalizer training at the Canadian Airborne Regiment's Sargeant's Mess. "Some of those old sargent-majors could really hold their liquor. They could walk a straight line, but blow three times the legal limit!"

[Ron 10]

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That is the key to libertarian philosophy.

"You have all the freedoms in the world, but your freedoms end at my nose."

That's how I feel about it. You can do as you please till it impacts another person.

I have always wondered about the legal/Employee issue in CA, but never cared enough to ask someone. Then I saw the Miami paper said that FL is working on it.... Heck, I say legalize it and tax it.

BTW, I don't smoke pot... But think as long as it does not hurt anyone else..... Do as you please is my opinion.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mutumbo 0]

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Well, here in Wisconsin there was a case over pre-employment testing for nicotine.

Companies didn't want to hire smokers (cigarette) due to the demonstrated higher health care costs, higher absenteeism and that sort of thing.

IIRC, it went to court and was decided (basically) that the employer couldn't discriminate against an employee engaging in conduct that was legal.

They can (and do) charge more for health insurance, but they can't fire or refuse to hire them.

http://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/LEPG05_Smoke_Fired.pdf

The smoking part is down a few pages.

I don't know how this will play out with pot, mainly because pot has been demonstrated to affect people for a day or two (or longer, I don't remember exactly). It will be interesting to watch.

somebody might wanna tell the MANY MANY fire departments that will not hire you if you have smoked with in the year of your hiring date. you have to sign an affadavit saying you have not smoked then also pass a nicotine test.

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Are you talking about a hair test, urine, or blood. With hair you can test 6 months back or longer. All depends on the length of the hair. Urine is based on how much water you drink a day you can flush your system in 24 hours. However, if your urine is to clear they will reject the sample. Blood is usually 24-48 hours from what I am told. The quanity and length of time a person has smoked plays a large factor with all the test.

and if your test comes back "dilute" its automaticly classified as a positive result by most companies.

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[Nutz 0]

I can't believe this has not gone to SC yet.

"Don't! Get! Eliminated!"

[Ron 10]

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I can't believe this has not gone to SC yet.

Why?

1. Everyone seems to acting polite.
2. Smokin a dube seems more of a "bonfire" topic.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[turtlespeed 219]

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I can't believe this has not gone to SC yet.

Why?

1. Everyone seems to acting polite.
2. Smokin a dube seems more of a "bonfire" topic.

Yeah - cuz it's a lot harder drug they be smokin' in SC!

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[Nutz 0]

I just hope it isn't just a gateway to something harder.

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[Arvoitus 1]

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I just hope it isn't just a gateway to something harder.

The gateway BS is just that - BS.

Some people will sniff dog shit if it will mess up their heads.

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