pchapman 279 #1 July 24, 2010 A Canadian fighter pilot did a nice ejection yesterday, during a practice for a weekend airshow. It is some good low altitude parachuting! It's not quite as spectacular as the classic MiG-29 bailout at the Paris airshow 20 odd years ago -- the trajectory is more horizontal -- nor is it quite as low & high speed as the Thunderbirds F-16 ejection at Mountain Home a few years back. Still a good one though. Frrom youtube video, eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYXYyBnNJDs, it looks like it was during a high angle of attack slow pass. It makes for a good show, although on the expensive side. Attachments are a couple pics of the bailout from the web. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 24, 2010 Once again, the evil power of the BeeGees is shown in full force. When will people realize the destructive power of those fast flying high notes?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #3 July 24, 2010 QuoteIt makes for a good show, although on the expensive side. No shit! Especially when you consider that this was just PRACTICE [/alleniverson]. That poor bastard has to drag himself out of the hospital and do it 3 or 4 more times this weekend!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #4 July 24, 2010 QuoteOnce again, the evil power of the BeeGees is shown in full force. When will people realize the destructive power of those fast flying high notes? Irony of the day: the song was "Stayin' alive". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #5 July 24, 2010 Funny how that song caught everyone's attention.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #6 July 24, 2010 Quote Once again, the evil power of the BeeGees is shown in full force. When will people realize the destructive power of those fast flying high notes? maybe Saddam Hussain had a couple of BeeGees CD's scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #7 July 24, 2010 I was glad to see him land short of the fireball. I bet he could feel the heat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #8 July 24, 2010 Wonder if he bought the rigger a bottle? That was a pretty damn fast punch out, pilot was on his game! Talk about a short reserve ride! "I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #9 July 24, 2010 Awh, come-on, he got one and a-half swings AND missed the fire-ball AND after ejecting not wings level, close to the ground and coming out of the sky... he's lucky... real lucky, but as they say, rather be lucky than good any day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 July 24, 2010 It's difficult for me to see what the hell went wrong. It was just a slow speed pass. Even if his right engine failed, he should have been able to recover.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #11 July 24, 2010 Right, 'cos low alt, low speed and high AOA would be of the easiest times to deal with an engine failure...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #12 July 24, 2010 I counted three in a row - was this some kind of wipeout contest ? Who won ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 July 24, 2010 QuoteRight, 'cos low alt, low speed and high AOA would be of the easiest times to deal with an engine failure... Oh, clearly a challenge, but there's no reason he wouldn't have been operating within the specs of the aircraft. Airshows are a demonstration, not test piloting.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #14 July 24, 2010 So should he be able to handle an engine out? Normally, yes, but who knows during a high AoA slow pass. Way behind the power curve. With a loss of power he might have to trade away altitude to get airspeed again to reduce drag, but he didn't have altitude. But it is interesting to see that he didn't just mush downwards, but lost control in yaw. Even with engines near the centerline, in a relatively modern fighter that has reasonable high angle of attack capability, it seems like losing an engine during a slow high alpha pass may be hard to control. Not sure what sort of Vmc applies to an F-18! The Russian in the MiG-29 at Paris, wasn't he doing something similar, and lost an engine from a birdstrike? He rolled / yawed right over into a vertical dive before ejecting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #15 July 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteRight, 'cos low alt, low speed and high AOA would be of the easiest times to deal with an engine failure... Oh, clearly a challenge, but there's no reason he wouldn't have been operating within the specs of the aircraft. Airshows are a demonstration, not test piloting. High alpha flybys at airshows have been a staple for decades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LtfljZqJmQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #16 July 24, 2010 QuoteIt's difficult for me to see what the hell went wrong. It was just a slow speed pass. Even if his right engine failed, he should have been able to recover. [armchair with beer dispersor hat] He was probably banging against the stall threshold the whole maneuver that when he noticed that the nose started to drift too much to adequately correct in time,or the correction itself would increase the stall, he knew it was unrecoverable[my beer ran out]_____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akjmpplt 0 #17 July 24, 2010 QuoteIt's difficult for me to see what the hell went wrong. It was just a slow speed pass. Even if his right engine failed, he should have been able to recover. Photos posted elsewhere show one nozzle closed, one open...you can also see as the nose slices right the rudders are hard left...classic signs of a loss of thrust/vmc departure IMO.SmugMug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy 0 #18 July 25, 2010 I think he could have easily avoided the problem if he wasn't using unleaded fuel. In other photo's his left tire pressure was lower which probably contributed to the starboard yaw. IMHO that is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #19 July 25, 2010 Quote Way behind the power curve. With a loss of power he might have to trade away altitude to get airspeed again to reduce drag, but he didn't have altitude. Oft used phrase, but this is what it really means.And that is exactly where this pilot got, it appears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #20 July 25, 2010 Did anyone notice the awesome irony in the second pic of a disintegrating aircraft with nobody in it striking the ground right behind a sign marked "Entering Vehicle Control Zone"? -B Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #21 July 25, 2010 Nice pics~ Also, I think this one is as spectacular as the Mig at the 89' show! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #22 July 25, 2010 This just made the morning news...I wonder how many times they are so far behind reporting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
booyah 0 #23 July 25, 2010 QuoteIt's difficult for me to see what the hell went wrong. It was just a slow speed pass. Even if his right engine failed, he should have been able to recover. Seriously? Did you really make this comment? How much training do you have on a CF-18? How many hours have you logged flying a CF-18? Why should he have been able to recover??? What do you know that perhaps that trained pilot was not aware of at the time he decided to save his ass? Words dont even describe how idiotic your comment was. wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #25 July 25, 2010 Quote Pretty canopy! It looks a lot like the one on my first jump. It was pretty too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
