Hooknswoop 19 #26 September 22, 2005 QuoteI keep thinking about my RSL failing and not being able to get the reserve out. Good, keep thinking that. Assume your RSL is not going to work, which in a total mal situation I gurantee it won't, anything else is not a good idea. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #27 September 22, 2005 With a metal reserve handle you can check the freedom of the cable and the ability to pull the pin without removing the handle from the pocket, i.e. breaking the velcro.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #28 September 22, 2005 QuoteWith a metal reserve handle you can check the freedom of the cable and the ability to pull the pin without removing the handle from the pocket, i.e. breaking the velcro. You can do that with THIS reserve PAD, too: http://p4961.typo3server.info/70.1.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #29 September 22, 2005 NOPE With ONE BRAND of reserve pad.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,073 #30 September 22, 2005 >is it hard (physically) to pull your reserve handle?? Usually not. There is the rare incident where some failure makes it hard; we once saw a Racer with a 50+ lb pull force because the reserve pins were bent. Lesson there is use a good rigger and maintain your gear well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #31 September 22, 2005 QuoteYou understand that you can break that thread with your hands right? That was the point of my noting it... a reserve handle pull can't be that hard if breaking a tiny piece of thread is the hardest part.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #32 September 22, 2005 When you need to pull the reserve, you will likely have enough adrenaline in your blood to make it seem easy Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #33 September 22, 2005 Also worth noting, the reserve handle has a maximum pull force of 22 pounds (15 for a chest mount) plus whatever it takes to break the seal (not much). This maximum is ensured by the packing rigger. There is no limit to how hard it may be to cutaway your main canopy. For you, this means several things: 1) Make sure your 3-rings are built correctly. For $10, RWS offers a book on how to build 3-rings release risers with to-scale drawings. If the geometery of the 3-rings is wrong, it can dramatically increase pull forces. 2) Cutaway cables. Keep them clean and lubricated within the last 30-days with Ace Pure Silicone Lubricant. Make sure they are the correct length. 3) Cutaway cable housings. Only use containers that have full hard housings, to include metal, capped and tacked cable housing inserts in the risers. 4) Avoid canopies known for spinning line twists and high wing loadings. I would also recommend hitting the weights in order to increase arm strength. If you end up in a situation of needing to cutaway and deploy your reserve, you must be able to do it. If you cannot, do not put yourself into the a situation where your life will depend on it. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 September 22, 2005 QuoteAlso worth noting, the reserve handle has a maximum pull force of 22 pounds (15 for a chest mount) plus whatever it takes to break the seal (not much). This maximum is ensured by the packing rigger. How is this ensured? By process, or by quality of rigger? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #35 September 22, 2005 QuoteHow is this ensured? By process, or by quality of rigger? They are several procedures for checking pull force without popping the reserve. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #36 September 22, 2005 wow...all this time I was worried about my reserve when my cutaway will be harder?? That's kinda scary. For some reason I thought that would be very easy...i don't know why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #37 September 23, 2005 If your 3-rings are correctly made, and maintained, your cutaway will be very easy too. Hard pulls are inexcusable, because they are almost always the result of lack of preparation on the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #38 September 23, 2005 Quotewow...all this time I was worried about my reserve when my cutaway will be harder?? That's kinda scary. For some reason I thought that would be very easy...i don't know why. It can be easier or harder. I mentioned some things to help make it easier, but there is nothing preventing it from exceeding the max force of a reserve pull. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flygirl1 0 #39 September 23, 2005 I popped my shoulder out on sunday when I went to pull and had to go to my reserve. It was easy to get out even with just my left hand. I don't know what a cutaway is like but after last weekend I have more confidence in my EP's.Fly like a girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #40 September 23, 2005 Quote I popped my shoulder out on sunday when I went to pull and had to go to my reserve. Out of curiosity, how does your DZ feel about you jumping with a dislocating shoulder?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #41 September 23, 2005 QuoteWith a metal reserve handle you can check the freedom of the cable and the ability to pull the pin without removing the handle from the pocket, i.e. breaking the velcro. Sure, I am happy with that one, but as I was taught it the pad peeling is not to check cable freedom - which you can do as you describe - but specifically to make sure that the velcro has not 'frozen' - it is specifically to break the velcro. Is this not a standard thing? Are there any reasons NOT to do it? *************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #42 September 23, 2005 No, you were taught well. A lot of people are paranoid about handles coming loose so press the velcro rather than peeling it and reinstalling it. Keep doing what your doing. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeth 0 #43 September 23, 2005 QuoteNo, you were taught well. A lot of people are paranoid about handles coming loose so press the velcro rather than peeling it and reinstalling it. Keep doing what your doing. Oops. I am one of those people who always press the velcro together during my gear check. So you're saying I should undo, then redo the velcro each time? Won't that wear down the velcro? On the topic at hand -- I just had a cutway 3 weeks ago and I had no trouble doing it. (And thats even with me pressing the velcro every day! ) Trust me, the adreneline will be flowing, you will get it. "At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #44 September 23, 2005 There's no OOPS involved. I'm not, at internet distance, tell you your doing it wrong. And I don't and wouldn't choose to remove my handles daily. But I also don't press on them daily. Are they there? That's about it. On student gear we found that at multiple jumpmasters handles gear checks and pressed on the velcro we seated it too hard and created harder pulls than necessary. This was with metal reserve handles especially. Yes you could conceivably wear out the velro if you removed and reseated for each jump. Just like toggles. Moderation in all things.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeth 0 #45 September 23, 2005 Ok. Ya, I admit that my pressing them together every time is just a paranoid habit. I will try to think of that next time and just verify that they are there and seated instead of sqeezing them down harder."At 13,000 feet nothing else matters." PFRX!!!!! Team Funnel #174, Sunshine kisspass #109 My Jump Site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flygirl1 0 #46 September 23, 2005 They are very supportive about it at my DZ. I haven't been back there yet but all the the people that called and came to the hospital to see me were very supportive of me jumping again.Fly like a girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #47 September 23, 2005 How did you dislocate your shoulder? Was it just from the force of reaching back for your pc? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #48 September 24, 2005 Squeezing it together is fine. It won't "freeze" together. It's not really necessary but it won't harm anything. Train the "pull and pull" Actually it's Peel and Punch and all is well. To check free play of the reserve cable, take hold of the cable above the handle and pull upward to see how much is in the handle. Or... take hold of the cable above the reserve pin and pull the excess out of the cable housing.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flygirl1 0 #49 September 26, 2005 yes, but when I went to see My doctor he told me that I had loose joints beforehand and thats why it popped out so easily. Looks like surgery for me But the good news is they think they can fix it and make it even stronger then it was so I can get back to jumping by next spring.Fly like a girl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #50 September 26, 2005 QuoteI was just wondering...is it hard (physically) to pull your reserve handle?? No I could pull it just fine yesterday when I couldn't get my pilotchute out! Didn't take any force at all, funny I remember "This is taking too long" and I was already tugging to get my ripcord free of the rig, which I can't on this rig because the the reserve pin can't be pulled through the housing (9-shaped reserve pin). Didn't even consciously think "I have to pull my reserve now" I just did it, after tugging on my pilotchute real hard for almost 1500 ft I was under my reserve at 2100 ft. First terminal reserve. First wingsuit reserve. Easy as cake ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
