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ryoder 1,590
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Often we take the attitude "hey, I have a parachute, I can get out if there's a problem." History has shown that while that's indeed possible, it is by no means a sure thing.
A vidiot told me the story of the day he was in a Caravan that stalled/spun.
He was pinned to the wall just a few feet from the door, but could not move
to the door before the pilot finally recovered from the spin.
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JohnMitchell 16
And there's always the Lodestar crash in WA back in 1983. 10 and the pilot were unable to get out after the plane stalled and spun on jumprun at 12,500. ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
Pilots at SD Dallas wear a pilot rig in the Carvan and I think in the Otter as well. (I jump the caravan more, and its easier to see pilot in caravan)
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riggerrob 643
QuoteAnd there's always the Lodestar crash in WA back in 1983. 10 and the pilot were unable to get out after the plane stalled and spun on jumprun at 12,500.
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Yes, my dear, departed friend Tom Classon told me his version of the Lodestar crash.
Tom was kneeling in the door when the Lodestar stalled. The Lodestar spit out all those it did not want and pinned the rest to the floor.
Tom was one of the lucky outs spit out. He fractured his leg as he flipped over the top of the fuselage.
Sangi 0
Quoteat aroud 1.16 just before the cameraman deploys you can see a white chute deploying close to the plane- could this have been the pilot then?
Indeed it seems so. Also from the deployment speed it seems as if it's a round..
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riggerrob 643
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It also states that the plane was just completed that month. Some pilots seem to think that a new or overhauled engine is still 'on probation' for the first 20 hours, and if it makes it past that, it's probably OK. I would have to assume that there might be a similar time frame for a homebuilt, so being recently completed, you have to consider the possibility of a mechanical problem that either contributed to entering the spin, or prevented the recovery from the spin.
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Agreed!
The most dangerous flight is immediately after major maintenance (eg. engine overhaul).
After any major maintenance, my DZO insists that his certified Cessnas fly 15 or 20 hours, from home base, before they are ferried (through the Rocky Mountains) to any other DZ.
Similalry, one of my old flying instructors suffered a forced landing because an engine quit on her shortly after an overhaul ... something about an oil line coming loose ...
Rules vary widely depending upon whether the airplane is certified or amateur-built and vary from one country to the next.
For example, amateur-built airplanes (in Canada and the USA) must fly their first 25 hours close to home base if they have a certified engine and propeller combination. The test period extends to 50 hours if they have an experimental engine (eg. Volkswagen conversion) or non-certified propeller.
It looks like that Comp Air 8 has a - certified Walter turbo-prop engine. It probably also has a production propeller certified with that engine.
Since this Comp Air was only recently completed - and it was probably the first Comp Air 8 to carry skydivers - they were still figuring out the envelope.
Transport Canada or the FAA will probably never approve Comp Airs to haul skydivers.
riggerrob 643
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... The weight of the jumpers might have contributed to the problem of getting out ..."
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Agreed!
That accident started before take-off because the pilot allowed two or three skydivers to sit aft of the door.
As soon as the first group exited, the guys in the back unbalanced the airplane and she spun.
The fact that she spun inverted only complicated the spin.
CompAirs do not look they were designed with aerobatics in mind, so all bets are off when it comes to stall recovery.
Like you, I have only tried inverted spins in an airplane certified for aerobatics: a Pitts S-2 with Mike Mangold in the back seat.
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteQuoteAll the pilots I have seen (Cessna 152+210, twin otters, Pac750s, King air 90s+200s, beech 99, skyvan) wore bail out rigs.
Where do you jump? Aside from the Cessna's (and I think you mean 182/206), almost every jump pilot I've flown with hasn't worn a rig.
I have NEVER seen a Skyvan/Caravan/TwOtter/CASA/PAC pilot wear a rig. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but I am guessing it's a lot less common to have one, rather than not.
You might want to send this video to them... just for the hell of it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAll the pilots I have seen (Cessna 152+210, twin otters, Pac750s, King air 90s+200s, beech 99, skyvan) wore bail out rigs.
Where do you jump? Aside from the Cessna's (and I think you mean 182/206), almost every jump pilot I've flown with hasn't worn a rig.
I have NEVER seen a Skyvan/Caravan/TwOtter/CASA/PAC pilot wear a rig. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but I am guessing it's a lot less common to have one, rather than not.
You might want to send this video to them... just for the hell of it.
In this airplane, the pilot is sitting very close to the door. In an otter, there would be no hope for a bailout.
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Those Pilot who do not wear rigs while flying jumpers are the ones that nothing will ever happen to. They believe they are immortal.
There are lots of people who take unnecessary chances. The cemeteries full of them.
I personally bailed in the 70s' and I'm still here.
Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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