Andy9o8 2 #26 March 28, 2010 QuoteLots of really nice people tried to snort a lot of dirt thinkin',"But I have an AAD!!" I don't think that's a fair comment; and I started jumping back in the 70s, and have a few hundred jumps without an AAD (or RSL). It implies: "Lots of people have died because they made the mistake of waiting for their AAD to save their lives." And I call bullshit on that. I'm willing to betcha that a hell of a lot more people's lives have been saved by modern AADs that would have been low pull/no pull fatalities 20 years ago. You choose to jump without an AAD, that's fine. I occasionally do, too, and it doesn't bother me, especially on a solo jump. But please don't fabricate facts, and please don't use mocking terms like "bounce proof" to impugn the judgment of jumpers who choose to jump an AAD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #27 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote Lots of really nice people tried to snort a lot of dirt thinkin',"But I have an AAD!!" Tell it to the Reaper, son. Name 5, 5 is not "LOTS"..fuck it name 3Name ONE, That is probably the most asinine comment made with a straight face here in Bonfire. That comment alone makes this thread Bonfire worthy. (i.e. Brainless dribble) You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humanflite 0 #28 March 28, 2010 At the end of the day An AAD is much much more likely to save your life than end it! end of discussion???!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #29 March 28, 2010 Quote I wear an AAD more for you than for myself. This thread disgusts me and I'm done replying to it. I hope you will reconsider because I'm not seeing how you wearing one helps anyone but you? I wear one because it may help me. So far, it hasn't, but that's a good thing. Whether anyone else does is not a factor in if I will jump with them.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #30 March 28, 2010 Quote hhmmmm.... coulda swore the bonfire was for nonskydiving issues.... isnt there a gear forum? I'm going over there right now to check out the boobie threads."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #31 March 28, 2010 Quote I'm old school. I understand the absolute miniscule chance that you'll actually need one. If it makes you feel better then fine. I was in a collision during the rebuild of a funneled 10-way RW dive. The collision was between two helmets, and so hard I literally saw stars, and even considered dumping right there, because I wasn't sure if I would remain conscious. But I'm sure there was only a miniscule chance of that collision occurring."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #32 March 28, 2010 Quote "Life's pretty cheap to that sort, Janet." - Brad in The Rocky Horror Picture Show (which my daughter is watching right now in the other room.) You didnt have to spell it out for usTell little Miss Mitch I have seen that 200+ times and i used to play Brad in the Audience castMeh, sorry, but I figured not everyone's up on Dr. Frankenfurter. BTW, a friend gave her a full size David Tenant cardboard cutout figure. I'm sure you'll see it on FB soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote I don't have one, that's why. +1 I'm old school. I understand the absolute miniscule chance that you'll actually need one. If it makes you feel better then fine. The first skydiving fatality I knew personally was a jumper who free-fell through a deployed canopy and into the jumper under it, then free-fell the rest of the way to impact. This was in the pre-AAD days. FWIW, another fatality I personally knew was a jumper who was in a canopy collision and wrap back in the early 1980s. He chopped very low, but only managed to launch his reserve PC when he impacted. He did not have an RSL. (Sorry for the thread drift.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #34 March 28, 2010 I have way too many friends that would still be here if the Cypres had been around back in the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #35 March 28, 2010 Quote This thread disgusts me and I'm done replying to it. Hey, get back here. You were just starting to make sense.Seriously, I'm with you, but if someone wants to jump without an AAD all the time, that's their business. I certainly don't recommend not using one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #36 March 28, 2010 Quote To those jumping without one: fuck off you inconsiderate risk taker. You fuckin' battery operated skydivers just crack me up! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #37 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote To those jumping without one: fuck off you inconsiderate risk taker. You fuckin' battery operated skydivers just crack me up! You just describe prolly 90% of the women on here, or at least their BOBs. I don't take Ritalin so I never jump without my ADD. Carrots!!!Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #38 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote Quote To those jumping without one: fuck off you inconsiderate risk taker. You fuckin' battery operated skydivers just crack me up! You just describe prolly 90% of the women on here, or at least their BOBs. I don't take Ritalin so I never jump without my ADD. Carrots!!! Asparagus!!!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #39 March 28, 2010 Quote I have way too many friends that would still be here if the Cypres had been around back in the day. I have a friend who is alive because he could not be bothered packing his rig and jumped his wifes rig instead, Hers has an AAD his does not, he was knocked unconscious on a wing suit jump. He awoke on the ground under a reserve canopy. in pain and a bit bend, but ALIVE.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #40 March 28, 2010 When I first started out, I had an FXC-12000 AAD in my rig. I had it removed after a mis-fire left me with two out at 70 jumps +/-. I had just dumped my main at 3000 feet and out the reserve went. Went without an AAD until I had about 600 jumps or so, would have to check my logbook, but what finally got me to get one, was when Sandy Wambach went in after a freefall collision on the Skydive Chicago 300 way world record attempts in the summer of '98. She didn't have an AAD, and I remember asking her why, she said her rig was so small it wouldn't fit in there. I got my Cypres a month later. Its life is up this September."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #41 March 28, 2010 Carrots!!! b]Asparagus!!! Paint Chips ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #42 March 28, 2010 I have one for these reasons. It reduced the no-pull/low-pull category by a lot. I may not every have to use it, but I want all the possible advantages that I can get. I know people who were amazingly better than me and those people died. They might have lived. I used to recite the list for these occasions. One month after my first Ga State Rec attempt, the organizer died in a freefall collision. Any time you see an AAD fire, understand that the person was out of time. They would have died. I don't want anyone to die from a mistake of judgment. Live to another day and learn to not make that mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #43 March 28, 2010 Don't have one. Mine expired and mostly I just do CRW and solos. A lot of CRW dogs will ask you to turn it off if you jump with them anyhow. (Another subject of debate in the CRW community.) No issues, I'll probably get one later when I get a freefall rig."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #44 March 28, 2010 I was just thinking of how I used to ride streetbikes in Utah with no helmet. It was perfectly legal. It was my decision as an adult to make. It was probably the dumbest thing I could do. I'm not equating riding without a helmet to jumping without an AAD. I'm just saying that I can certainly imagine it saving my life. I do a variety of jumps with a variety of people, and I don't have eyes in the back of my head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #45 March 28, 2010 Re: The jumper I mentioned in post #33 who was killed in a freefall-to-canopy collision (she also happened to be one of my jumpmasters when I was a student): the guy under canopy she hit (who sadly was her boyfriend, too) didn't have eyes in the back of his head, either. The impact almost killed him, too (it didn't; just shattered his leg), but it did destroy his main, and he was too busted up to cut away, so he saved his life by dumping his reserve into the mess. Point being: shit happens, and sometimes it comes out of the clear, blue nowhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #46 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote Quote To those jumping without one: fuck off you inconsiderate risk taker. Hell yeah! "Life's pretty cheap to that sort, Janet." - Brad in The Rocky Horror Picture Show (which my daughter is watching right now in the other room.) You didnt have to spell it out for usTell little Miss Mitch I have seen that 200+ times and i used to play Brad in the Audience cast Asshole!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #47 March 28, 2010 I can take or leave it. If i borrow a rig with one i'll turn it on, if im jumping a rig without... well then i jump without.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #48 March 28, 2010 Quote Asshole! Nope, he's a good friend. He can talk to me any way he wants. I don't give a $#!+. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #49 March 28, 2010 Quote Quote Asshole! Nope, he's a good friend. He can talk to me any way he wants. I don't give a $#!+. Where's your fucking neck! (Geez.. and here I though you knew something about RHPS ) (and yes Squeak, I know, yelling asshole and slut too often shows how much of a newbie you are... )Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #50 March 28, 2010 I promised my kids I'd always jump with one turned on, so I do.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
