vanair 0 #1 February 12, 2010 Hi, Does any one know how to look up someones record, I have a co-worker that I think is lying about his. I have all his info even his SSN. I read somewhere that a group of Viet Nam vets formed an organization to do so. I read that they discovered half the homeless Vets were really BSers. I googled but got frustrated by all the FREE web sites that half way thru wanted to charge $. Thanks, Van USMC VET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy0689 0 #2 February 12, 2010 What's he lying about?Andy I'll believe it when I see it on YouTube! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #3 February 12, 2010 Anyone can get a truncated version of someone's military records. The more detailed versions are reserved for the veteran themselves and next of kin. You need to d/l the form, fill it out and mail it to: The National Personnel Records Center 9700 Page Avenue St. Louis, Missouri 63132 There's no online way to do this, it must be in writing. The form you need is here: http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/standard-form-180.html NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #4 February 12, 2010 Careful with using his ssn for anything without his permission. It probably could get you in trouble._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #5 February 12, 2010 Employers can look up previous employers and ask them questions. There's nothing wrong with looking up his record. Generally, you're correct, but this is an appropriate application.Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StangMan90 0 #6 February 12, 2010 I'm a post-Vietnam-era Navy veteran, but my father and brother both did tours in Vietnam (my Dad was career military - 26 years). Both of my brothers lost friends from high school in that war. In my experience, in general, the more a guy boasts about his wartime service, the less of it is true. Those that did and saw the most usually talk about it the least. I was in my 40s before my dad started opening up about his WWII Marine Corps service in the Pacific, but he couldn't recall much of it because under battle conditions a combatant's mind isn't focused on soaking in the moment for future recall, it's focused on survival for himself and his buddies, and doesn't leave much for a guy to actually want to remember afterwards (at least that's my Dad's take on it). I wouldn't even bother to check out that guy's story.simplify Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #7 February 12, 2010 I'm not sure, but I believe there is some sort of consent when future empoyers are using applicant's SSN's, but I have not been employed by the public sector for over 14 years. I believe anything else is public record and available without permission._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #8 February 13, 2010 QuoteWhat's he lying about? Agreed. What's the guy lying about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vanair 0 #9 February 13, 2010 Don't know for sure, just his attitude, he's done too much. He was a seal etc. And he doesn't know certain things about the m16. Granted I'm a marine. Not as lean, not as mean but still one. And some things like the m16 nomenclature were drilled into my head. I find it hard to believe he can't remember certain things, yet brags about other stuff. Before I call him on being the asshole I'm 99% sure he is I want to be 100% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #10 February 13, 2010 QuoteHi, Does any one know how to look up someones record, I have a co-worker that I think is lying about his. I have all his info even his SSN. I read somewhere that a group of Viet Nam vets formed an organization to do so. I read that they discovered half the homeless Vets were really BSers. I googled but got frustrated by all the FREE web sites that half way thru wanted to charge $. Thanks, Van USMC VET Can you be more specific about what you think he is lying about? The Stolen Valor act may come into play if he is falsely claiming awards and or receiving veterans benefits he is not entitled to. This type of thing has steadily risen in incident over the years. One recent article I just saw claims that there are 300 impostors for each real SEAL. There are also several online "walls of shame" that known frauds are kept track of. It's become cool it seems to claim to have been Special Forces/SEAL/POW or received every medal under the sun while in the military, even if they never served. If the guy is just claiming he did something,was assigned to or awarded,etc just ask to see his DD214. It will be on there if it's anything of note. If his story sounds like the ones you hear at bars about how they are "skydivers" with a military twist, chances are he is probably full of shit. Best way to know for sure though is ask to see his DD 214. If he comes up with a lame excuse or the old "it's classified", chances are he is probably lying. If he is walking around wearing medals he didn't earn or receiving benefits, let me know and the appropriate people will be informed."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 February 13, 2010 I got this one Scott. I PMed him. If he is a fake and has done something to disgrace them, you know the drill. Bunch of easy going guys and they have been very nice to me. I do not know whats worse, a fake SEAL or people calling a real one a phony (long nasty story) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #12 February 13, 2010 Quote Don't know for sure, just his attitude, he's done too much. He was a seal etc. And he doesn't know certain things about the m16. Granted I'm a marine. Not as lean, not as mean but still one. And some things like the m16 nomenclature were drilled into my head. I find it hard to believe he can't remember certain things, yet brags about other stuff. Before I call him on being the asshole I'm 99% sure he is I want to be 100% Just ask a current SEAL....let them talk to him! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #13 February 14, 2010 That was the plan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #14 February 15, 2010 Just dropped my daughter off at the gym to rock climb with her friend. The guy who works there starts telling me he learned to climb as a SEAL. I asked him what class he was in. He answered Four... When I go pick her up I am gonna have a talk with him in private. The CO will be with me. He was coming by anyways to drop off some reloading supplies and equipment that was from one of the boys who is getting a divorce.WTF is wrong with these turds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #15 February 15, 2010 Quote WTF is wrong with these turds? There are imposters in all walks of life, it isn't just the military that gets them. Look at all the phony diploma mills that openly advertize, and the phony "Become a minister of the XXXX Church - just send $$$" ads.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 15, 2010 Well diploma phonies are not committing a felony. Also a college degree does not involve risking ones life in the service of their country. Plus most college alumni are not tough Mofo's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #17 February 16, 2010 >>He answered Four...I'd imagine BUD/S class numbers are slowly approaching #300 but sure, there was a Class #4. How old is your guy? Class #4 would have been held sometime in the early to mid-1960s . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 February 16, 2010 If you do check it out, I'd advise just leaving his SS# out of the inquiry if it's w/o his permission (and presumably it would be w/o his permission). Don't cause possible legal trouble for yourself by doing the right thing, but the wrong way. If you think he's crossing the line, I suppose you could always contact the Navy. All this being said, consider that he is a co-worker of yours. Not saying that gives him a pass by any means; just saying consider whether you'd be causing trouble for yourself at work. On the one hand, assholes prevail when good men do nothing. On the other hand, whistle-blowers sometimes get fucked up the ass. That's just the way of the world. So just be careful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #19 February 16, 2010 Yep He is in his late 30's We're gonna stop and see him tomorrow as he unexpectedly had to leave before I went to pick my daughter up today. Maybe they were showing the SEAL beacon against the clouds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #20 February 16, 2010 >>He is in his late 30'sLet's say he's 40 years old that would make him born in 1970. Can't see how he pencils out to BUD/S class number four. Anyone know how the "Stolen Valor" law actually works? Is just lying about it enough to be charged, or do they have to be caught wearing the uniform or something? NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 February 16, 2010 The claim is enough, standing in the presence of a Commanding Officer of a SEAL team and claiming it, is the kicker. He is in deep doo doo. I heard this story one night at a retirement piss up. "There was a Walmart greeter that had a Team hat on, an old fellow walks in, they are about the same age. The customer asks, were you a SEAL? He was feeling bad because this former warrior was working in a Walmart and he might be able to offer him employment. So the Walmart greeter went on to say he was the former Command Master Chief of ST8 To which the customer was really annoyed, he asked what years and the guy told him. The funny thing is the customer was CMC Herschel Davis, former Command Master Chief of SEAL Team Eight. I heard he told the guy to remove that hat before he came out of the store before he had no need for it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 February 16, 2010 Maybe he went through his BUD/S adventure by reading Marchinko? Next thing you know he'll tell you he's a skydiver...or maybe that he's a super-secret OGA contractor...You know, because he reads Vince Flynn...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #23 February 16, 2010 QuoteHi, Does any one know how to look up someones record, I have a co-worker that I think is lying about his. I have all his info even his SSN. I read somewhere that a group of Viet Nam vets formed an organization to do so. I read that they discovered half the homeless Vets were really BSers. I googled but got frustrated by all the FREE web sites that half way thru wanted to charge $. Thanks, Van USMC VET Hi Van and all, Go to www.pownetwork.org and take it from there. Chuck and Mary Shantag have helped bust wannabe's, fakes and liers for some time now. Going on 9 years ago we had a guy at our DZ that claimed LCDR Seal status, and all the trappings that go with it. Compliments of pow net he's busted and he got paid a visit by some Real Seals who administered an "Attitude Adjustment" to him!!!! Hope this helps. Funny about guys like that, whenever you corner em with something (like that knowing the parts of an M-16) they should be up on they have a great comeback. Anyway, pow net can run a make on him and bust his "House of Cards!!"SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #24 February 16, 2010 Is claiming that oneself is/was a SEAL a violation of the Stolen Valor Act? I thought it only concerned itself with medals/decorations/awards, etc and not with claims of service? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 February 16, 2010 Like tossers like this... http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/articles/1693-man-who-marched-at-remembrance-day-parade-with-fake-medals-named-as-carpenter-roger-day Let us know how your 'chat' goes with your fake. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
