military service

[warpedskydiver 0]

Tosser is an understatement.

[Skyrad 0]

Looks like someone had a chat with another tosser..

http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Body-of-SAS-faker-found.4911007.jp

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[Skyrad 0]

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Is claiming that oneself is/was a SEAL a violation of the Stolen Valor Act?

I thought it only concerned itself with medals/decorations/awards, etc and not with claims of service?

Has anyone been charged with that act?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[warpedskydiver 0]

Wow....just wow.


Is there no end to all this?

I will let you know how it went after we fill him in talk to him

[warpedskydiver 0]

Paging Vortex!

[Skyrad 0]

LOL...

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[JohnnyD 0]

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Is claiming that oneself is/was a SEAL a violation of the Stolen Valor Act?

I thought it only concerned itself with medals/decorations/awards, etc and not with claims of service?

Has anyone been charged with that act?

Yes, but very few. Generally, the cases have involed someone who is passing themselves off as a wounded veteran for personal gain (ie: free luxury box tickets to sporting events; charitable donations; things like that).

FWIW - The guys I know wouldn't waste their time on guys like this unless it somehow effected them directly.

[NickDG 23]

I looked it up . . . (Unless I'm looking at the wrong thing.)

Here's the original Law followed by an Amendment. The Act appears to deal specifically with claiming to have, wearing, and trading in medals, insignias, devices, etc. I don't see anything about wearing unauthorized uniforms. Except isn't there already a law against that? I think I recall back in the 1960s hippies would occasionally get popped for it.

The Amendment to the law calls for a searchable database, open to the public, that lists everyone lawfully awarded said decorations. But I don't see anything about "legal" consequences for strictly being a vague bullshit artist. So I guess the only option there is still old fashioned blanket party justice . . .

NickD
>>Title 18, United States Code, Section 704

(a) In General. - Whoever knowingly wears, purchases, attempts to purchase, solicits for purchase, mails, ships, imports, exports, produces blank certificates of receipt, manufactures, or sells, attempts to sell, advertises for sale, trades, barters or exchanges for anything of value any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. (italics added)

(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals. - Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the member of such forces, or the ribbon button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title for imprisoned not more than six months, or both,

(c) Congressional Medal of Honor. -

(1) In general. - If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) or (b) is a Congressional Medal of Honor, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(2) Definitions. -

(A) As used in subsection (a) with respect to a Congressional Medal of Honor, “sells” includes trades, barters, or exchanges for anything of value.

(B) As used in this subsection, “Congressional Medal of Honor” means -

(i) a medal of honor awarded under section 3741, 6241, or 8741 of title 10 or section 491 of title 14;

(ii) a duplicate medal of honor issued under section 3754, 6256, or 8754 of title 10 or section 504 of title 14; or

(iii) a replacement of a medal of honor provided under section 3747, 6253, or 8747 of title 10 or section 501 of title 14.

(d) Other Medals -If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) or (b) is a Distinguished Service Cross awarded under Section 3742 of Title 10, an Air Force Cross awarded under Section 8742 of Title 10, a Navy Cross awarded under section 6242 of Title 10, a Silver Star awarded under Section3746, 6244, or 8746 of Title 10, or a Purple Heart awarded under Section 1129 of Title 10, or any replacement or duplicate medal as authorized by statute, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be find under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year or both.

The Relationship Between 32 CFR §507 and 18 USC §704

To understand the meaning and impact of the law, it cannot be read alone: it has be reviewed in conjunction with 32 CFR §507.7 and §507.8 because the parenthetic statement “except when authorized under regulations made pursuant to law” refers to and is elaborated on by Parts 507.7 and 507.8 of Title 32 of the Code of Federal Regulations, which quoted in full below:

32 CFR §507.8:

(a). The articles listed in paragraphs (a) (1) through (10) of this section are authorized for manufacture and sale when made in accordance with approved specifications, purchase descriptions or drawings.

(1). All authorized insignia (AR 670-1 and AFI 36-2903)

(2). Appurtenances and devices for decorations, medals, and ribbons such as oak leaf cluster, service stars, arrowheads, V-devices, and clasps.

(3). Combat, special skill, occupational and qualification badges and bars.

(4). Identification badges.

(5). Fourrageres and lanyards

(6). Lapel buttons.

(7). Decorations, service medals, and ribbons, except for the Medal of Honor

(8). Replicas of decorations and service medals for grave markers. Replicas are to be at least twice the size prescribed for decorations and service medals.

(9). Service ribbons for decorations, service medals, and unit awards.

(10). Rosettes.

(11). Army emblem and branch of service plaques.

(b) Variations from the prescribed specifications for the items listed in paragraph (a) of this section are not permitted without prior approval, in writing, by the Institute of Heraldry.
Here's the wording of the Amendment:

>>>To amend title 10, United States Code, to require the establishment of a searchable database containing the names and citations of members of the Armed Forces, members of the United States merchant marine, and civilians affiliated with the Armed Forces who have been awarded the medal of honor or any other medal authorized by Congress for the Armed Forces, the United States merchant marine, or affiliated civilians.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Mr. SALAZAR introduced the following bill;
Which was referred to the House Committee on Armed Services

A BILL
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Military Valor Roll of Honor Act of 2007’’.

SEC. 2. MILITARY VALOR ROLL OF HONOR.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—Chapter 57 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section:
§ 1135. Military Valor Roll of Honor

‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT REQUIRED.—The Secretary of Defense shall establish and maintain a database, to be known as the ‘Military Valor Roll of Honor’, which shall contain the names and citations of all members of the armed forces, members of the United States merchant marine (including the Army Transport Service and the Naval Transport Service), and civilians affiliated with the armed forces who have been awarded the medal of honor or any other medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces, the United States merchant marine, or affiliated civilians. The Military Valor Roll of Honor shall include the names of those members recorded on the ‘Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard Medal of Honor Roll’ maintained pursuant to section 1560 of title 38.’’

‘‘(b) SOURCES OF INFORMATION.—The Secretary of Defense shall develop the Military Valor Roll of Honor using the records of the military departments and such other sources of information as the Secretary considers to be appropriate and accurate. The Secretary of Homeland Security, with respect to the Coast Guard, and the Secretary of Transportation, with respect to the United States merchant marine, shall provide the Secretary of Defense with information regarding the names and citations of members of the Coast Guard and United States merchant marine for inclusion in the Military Valor Roll of Honor.’’

‘‘(c) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY.—The Military Valor Roll of Honor shall be a searchable database and available for public inspection.’’.

(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections at the beginning of such chapter is amended by adding at the end the following new item:
‘‘1135. Military Valor Roll of Honor.’’.

[JohnnyD 0]

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But I don't see anything about "legal" consequences for strictly being a vague bullshit artist.

There aren't any.
The stolen valor act was put through and signed in 2005. I'm not sure about this one from 2007. I know violations of the stolen valor act are misdemeanors.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Percussion tuning is eternal

[warpedskydiver 0]

As the CO my friend has the duty to address this.

I know in my heart and gut this guy is a fake, but if I were to be mistaken and somehow this guy was a real one I don't want it on my head that I beat his ass errantly.

For that I would be standing on the carpet.

For this who think we are being bullies or are wrong, remember how many friends you have that have died?

Well if they had done so in the service of their country you might be a little pissed someone was saying that they were their equal.

[warpedskydiver 0]

I was just informed that yesterday the President of the UDT/SEAL foundation dropped dead of a heart attack at age 64.

He was in class 24.

Anyone that knew him please make the inquiry for the funeral arrangements.

Look at what they make you give, most of this stuff shortens your lifespan.

This is not like some regular sport, every little bit seems to take a few years off your life.

Sure there is nothing like living knowing that death is near, that is what makes it so vibrant and simply serene.

Everything else is like living in slow motion.

That is why those who have done such things cannot forget it for even one day.

It is also why no matter how awful or hard it was we long to relive those days.

Me, I am a nothing, but others are giants standing before me.

[billvon 2,991]

>But I don't see anything about "legal" consequences for strictly being a
>vague bullshit artist. So I guess the only option there is still old
>fashioned blanket party justice . . .

Or just ignore them. There are far more bullshit artists than there is time to deal with them (and in the end no reason to.)

[JohnnyD 0]

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As the CO my friend has the duty to address this.

I know in my heart and gut this guy is a fake, but if I were to be mistaken and somehow this guy was a real one I don't want it on my head that I beat his ass errantly.

For that I would be standing on the carpet.

For this who think we are being bullies or are wrong, remember how many friends you have that have died?

Well if they had done so in the service of their country you might be a little pissed someone was saying that they were their equal.

I have yet to see that this guy has done anything at all other than being f.o.s.

As a CO, if your friend tried to address every situation of this ilk, he would need to be cloned 300 times over just to handle it, let alone be expected to accomplish anything remotely productive.

I'm seriously hoping there is something more to this than a guy running off at the mouth.

[warpedskydiver 0]

There was...

[JohnnyD 0]

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There was...

Brilliant. Please let us all know what this egregious infraction was. Certainly befitting of your time and effort to proclaim on an internet forum that you intend to assault this person over it. It must be horrible.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Go away...

[JohnnyD 0]

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Go away...

Are you going to hit me with your keyboard?

Seriously, you're the one talking the big game. What's the story here? What did the guy do?

You're the one declaring and act worthy of NJB has occured and you're going to deliver an ass kicking. So what does one have to do to be worthy of such an effort?

[warpedskydiver 0]

Go figure it out for yourself, when it happens to you it will be quite clear.

[Skyrad 0]

To those who understand no explanation is needed, to those who don't no explaination will suffice.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[JohnnyD 0]

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Go figure it out for yourself, when it happens to you it will be quite clear.

Quite sad really.

[JohnnyD 0]

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To those who understand no explanation is needed, to those who don't no explaination will suffice.

Agreed, so keep it off the internet.

[Skyrad 0]

Maybe I'm colour blind and hadn't realised it but your name isn't in green.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[JohnnyD 0]

A wise man once told me that discretion is something you can never be accused of having too much of.

[Skyrad 0]

Judging by your profile its advice you clearly took to heart.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca