should I be afraid of psycho packing Spectre 170?

[snafuhere 0]

Hi,
I propack and the openings are OK and loooong.
I've heard that psycho packed canopy opens even longer. Is that true?

Does anybody here psycho pack Spectre?

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[gus 1]

Some discussion here.

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[ianmdrennan 2]

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I've heard that psycho packed canopy opens even longer. Is that true?

No. I do believe that psycho packing allows people who don't control their slider well in a Pro-pack a better opportunity to control it in the psycho pack.

IMO, either method makes zero difference if done correctly.

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Ian

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[Tink1717 2]

I have psycho packed at 150. There was no real difference in openings vs a standard pro pack.

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[Spizzzarko 0]

Pshyco packing is in essence just a different technique to get it into the bag. It may help out with the new slippery material, but I think it has a few more steps that you can possibly make mistakes with. I have about 700+ jumps on a spectre 170, and it opens slowly. I have packed it many different ways (flat, pro, trash, really trashy, one line stow, with the brakes set, with the brakes unset), and they all pretty much opened the same. The only big difference was when the brakes were unstowed. It opened much much slower. I don't recomend trying this unles you have mucho mucho experience. Just pack the canopy like you normally do, and you will be just fine. If you are having problems with it opening to slow, then adjust how you place you slider, or pull higher. There's nothing to be gained by skydiving close to the earth.

[quade 4]

While, within reason, the packing method of a Spectre doesn't make a huge difference, I would say that it definately -does- make -a- difference.

I have over 7 years and over 2500 jumps on Spectres. About 1/2 of those I've packed myself and the rest I've had to use packers because of the nature of what I do, camera for 4-way teams that are really training hard core.

The absolute smoothest openings I get are following the manufacturer's directions for Pro Packing that comes with the canopy and these ususally are only the ones I pack myself.

I like the pack jobs that my usual paid packer gives me which is a packer's version of the standard Pro Pack, just a little bit sloppier due to time constraints.

I have given the canopies to some other packers and watched them Psycho Pack it and I do believe the openings are not as good and with a bit of a pop at the end. I have my own beliefs about why Psycho Packing causes this, but don't have anything firm to back it up.

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[br0k3n 0]

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Hi,
I propack and the openings are OK and loooong.
I've heard that psycho packed canopy opens even longer. Is that true?

Does anybody here psycho pack Spectre?

I have about 200 jumps on a spectre 170, and probably about half of those I psycho packed, and I would say there was not real noticeable difference in opening speed. I would say thought that the psycho pack did tend to give more off heading openings then the pro pack.

The reason I psycho packed was at the time I found it easier to bag the canopy, now I pro-pack every time.

If it is longer openings your after, and jumping a spectre I would have thought they would be pretty nice already, but if so the speak to your rigger about a larger slider, Or roll the slider in with the tail before you lay the canopy down.

After the Spectre I had a Sabre 150 that used to spank me ever time, so I upsized the slider and from then on sweet openings every time.

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[bwilling 0]

Here's what PD says about psycho packing, taken directly from their website...

"The "psycho pack" is not really an entirely different packing method, it’s just a different bagging method. The first part of a “psycho pack,” the part that is done standing up, is identical to a regular PRO pack. The only difference is the technique used to fold the canopy and put it in the deployment bag.

For this reason, “psycho packing,” which we could perhaps call “psycho bagging,” may or may not make a difference in the way your canopy opens. If the first part of the pack job is sloppy, then the opening may not be very good no matter how the canopy is put in the bag. Let’s suppose, however, that you do a good basic PRO pack but tend to lose control while bagging the canopy, and end with a mess by the time you make the first line stows. If “psycho bagging” helps keep your neat PRO pack under control while you put it in the bag, your openings may improve using this technique.

We don't recommend the “psycho bagging” technique for a couple of reasons. For one thing, we feel there are easier ways to put the canopy in the bag that work just as well. We also do not think a canopy should be packed with a lot of material in front of the nose, which happens when you psycho pack.

We’ve made test jumps on a number of our main canopies using a psycho pack, and the openings were acceptable. We also know of some customers using this method with our canopies who are happy with the results. So, you can use the “psycho bagging” technique with your PD main if you want, but it is not the method we recommend."

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