The New Star Trek Movie

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Why was the ENTERPRISE being built in IOWA anyway?

It should have been built in San Francisco, at or near the rest of the Star Fleet facilities.

Shouldn't it have been built in an orbital shipyard?

Well, all the versions that came after this one definitely were.

This very first NCC-1701 we never see being built. According to Roddenberry in the show's production bible it was built in pieces on Earth in San Francisco and final assembly took place in orbit.

Parts or as a whole, either way Iowa doesn't make sense.

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Is this heaven...no...it's IOWA!

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Why was the ENTERPRISE being built in IOWA anyway?

Because of the effects of GW rushmc's company could no longer burn fossil fuels and had to diversify to remain in business.

Dont forget Paul.. by the Romulans mining ship showing up at the time of James Tiberius Kirks birth, we are now in an alternate reality going forward.

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Agh, the old alternative time-line ploy Get's one out of a right fix, does that.

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Why was the ENTERPRISE being built in IOWA anyway?

Because of the effects of GW rushmc's company could no longer burn fossil fuels and had to diversify to remain in business.

Dont forget Paul.. by the Romulans mining ship showing up at the time of James Tiberius Kirks birth, we are now in an alternate reality going forward.

Bah . . . try not to spoil things for folks that haven't seen it yet!

I'll go into "alternate timeline" cop outs later after more people have had a chance to see it.

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I did not particularly like the movie.
It was a bang-em-up, shoot-em-up John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Arnold action movie more than a Trekkie or Sci-Fi movie. Pretty much a dick flick.

Quit reading now if you don't want any spoilers.


The number one deficiency was the lack of a social or moral dilemma that all ST series episodes and movies had. The conflict is a deranged lunatic taking out vengeance because a rescue mission for a natural disaster failed to save the guy's family.

Contrast that to the plot in the Wrath of Khan. Khan was seeking vengeance, but the plot was about the moral and ethical issues involved in eugenics and the obligations of society to check up on a colony that they transplanted (think American Indians relocated to reservations). Khan was upset at the Federation for not checking on how they were doing, after some natural disasters changed their living conditions. After they had been neglected, he developed a much greater hatred for the person responsible for marooning them on a hostile planet.

It seemed there was a shoot out every 3 or 4 minutes. Really annoying after the first few and did nothing for character development.

The scene with Kirk eating the apple at Star fleet Kobayashi Maru test is just as annoying as Caffee doing it in A Few Good Men. Staple of a dick flick. Blatant arrogance and machismo crap.

The movie went too long (about 50 minutes) before explaining the dissonance between what was being shown and what we know from the series. I forced myself to watch it further to see if there was some sort of accounting between the two story lines. Even when the back to the future explanation was given, it did not completely jive with the original series. The ending does not either.

It's a shoot-em-up dick flick and if you like those types of movies, it's ok.
If you liked Star Trek (series and movies) because of all the social issues they addressed, even in the original (very sexist) series, then you probably won't like it.

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It's a shoot-em-up dick flick and if you like those types of movies, it's ok.
If you liked Star Trek (series and movies) because of all the social issues they addressed, even in the original (very sexist) series, then you probably won't like it.

It was JUST LIKE the original series....Kirk gets in some fights, shoots some guys, and bangs a green chick!


And what do you mean 'very sexist'....it was the 60's, they had a BLACK WOMAN on the bridge as an officer!

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by the Romulans mining ship showing up at the time of James Tiberius Kirks birth, we are now in an alternate reality going forward.

(spoiler) I think it was really the fault of one pointy-eared Vulcan. But he was doing the best he could under the circumstances.

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The number one deficiency was the lack of a social or moral dilemma that all ST series episodes and movies had. The conflict is a deranged lunatic taking out vengeance because a rescue mission for a natural disaster failed to save the guy's family.

I didn't think of that, but now that you mention it is very obvious, and I agree. Maybe they focused on character building for the "first" movie, and will go into moral dilemmas in later movies.

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It seemed there was a shoot out every 3 or 4 minutes. Really annoying after the first few and did nothing for character development.

Yeah, and the third time Kirk was hanging by a cliff was probably too much as well.

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The scene with Kirk eating the apple at Star fleet Kobayashi Maru test is just as annoying as Caffee doing it in A Few Good Men. Staple of a dick flick. Blatant arrogance and machismo crap.

This I saw as a poorly-acted tribute to Shatner. Few people can do the arrogant macho captain like him. But I do think Star Trek is better without him.

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And what do you mean 'very sexist'....it was the 60's, they had a BLACK WOMAN on the bridge as an officer!

The nice thing about an alternate reality is you can sleep with the Vulcan, instead of the Director

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I didn't think of that, but now that you mention it is very obvious, and I agree. Maybe they focused on character building for the "first" movie, and will go into moral dilemmas in later movies.

Actually, it was a mandate from the studio that didn't think a large audiences would be attracted to the "cerebral" traditional Star Trek franchise. So, they hired a flash bang director/writing team to intentionally make it more "shoot 'em up" and less like the original series.

JJ Abrahams (the director) has publicly stated he wasn't a fan of the original series.

Yeah . . . that makes sense then. Let's put him in charge of one the biggest franchises of all time and see how he can "improve" it.

Anyway, I seriously doubt that they're ever going to go back to a style where you have to think about anything.

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Ya know... some people just HAVE to over analyze everything....

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As far as the moral or social commentary, you could argue that they were speaking against hate and revenge. How such emotions just destroy and might even alter the time-space continuum.

Over all, I thought it was a good movie

-Kirk tries to bang the green chick
-red shirt dies
- "I'm a Doctor, not a...."

but... no "beam me up, Scotty" that I recall.

OHHHHH and I REALLY WANT that container for those parachutes!!!

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Ya know... some people just HAVE to over analyze everything....

Oh, you have no idea.

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Ya know... some people just HAVE to over analyze everything....

Yup...I've been a fan since the original series had it's 1st run, fortunately not a Trekkie.

I couldn't give a shit if Spock's alter ego on episode XYZ had the wrong shoelaces on.


IT'S A ~M O V I E ~...not a PBS documentary.


...a fanciful temporary suspension of believable reality with the main goal of achieving monetary gain through entertainment...hosted in a bad 'popcorn restaurant'.


Jeeze, I haven't heard so much bitching about a TV series turned movie since the Bat mobile got air conditioning!

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Jeeze, I haven't heard so much bitching about a TV series turned movie since the Bat mobile got air conditioning!

Gonna have to remember this the next time somebody brings up the inaccuracies of Drop Zone, Cutaway or Terminal Velocity.

If the movie existed without over 40 years of history behind it, you might have a point. A HUGE part of the appeal of the franchise is the amount of detail and the adherence of it to this point.

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Jeeze, I haven't heard so much bitching about a TV series turned movie since the Bat mobile got air conditioning!

Gonna have to remember this the next time somebody brings up the inaccuracies of Drop Zone, Cutaway or Terminal Velocity.

If the movie existed without over 40 years of history behind it, you might have a point.

Don't tell me ya gotta set of those plastic ears and go to the 'conventions?!

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Don't tell me ya gotta set of those plastic ears and go to the 'conventions?!

Nope. Never attended a convention. Never wore a costume from it.

That's not to say I didn't watch it first run as a kid and follow it my entire life though. I enjoyed the original series as a kid from the space shoot 'em up stand point. When I grew up enough to understand what the episodes were actually about I was blown away.

After Roddenberry died the series took a serious turn to the south and with this latest movie it continues on a heading of 180.

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Don't tell me ya gotta set of those plastic ears and go to the 'conventions?!

Nope. Never attended a convention. Never wore a costume from it.

That's not to say I didn't watch it first run as a kid and follow it my entire life though. I enjoyed the original series as a kid from the space shoot 'em up stand point. When I grew up enough to understand what the episodes were actually about I was blown away.

After Roddenberry died the series took a serious turn to the south and with this latest movie it continues on a heading of 180.

Movies are a peephole of 'current' society if ya wanna look at it that way...

James Bond quit smoking, Rocky started juicing...

There were moments of deep social message in the latest Trek:
"Your father was a Star Ship Captain for 12 minutes..."
(get off yer lazy ass ya drunken pinhead & be all that you can be)

The latest Star Trek is obviously geared to the X-box / Game boy crowd with the goofy angles and CGI action...the group with the most 'disposable income' that would go to a Sci Fi blockbuster and enjoy it.

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Well, you have correctly identified the "Theme Stated" line in the film as defined by normal "Hero's Journey" story telling standards (google Joseph Campbell & Blake Snyder).

So, from that line we know what the hero has to try to do in the film.

That said, it's not always the actual point of the story.

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Well, you have correctly identified the "Theme Stated" line in the film as defined by normal "Hero's Journey" story telling standards (google Joseph Campbell & Blake Snyder).

So, from that line we know what the hero has to try to do in the film.

That said, it's not always the actual point of the story.

Yeah but in the alternative space-time thingie, Kirk's dad got 'proudly' to see him be a Star Ship Captain...


The "Plot Point" could have easily been Spock not saving the Romulan planet because his watch was on Central Standard Time, and he got there too late!

"Get to work on time or you'll muck things up royally"

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Just saw it . . .

"Let's kick some Romulan ass . . ."

Go see it!

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Just saw it . . .

"Let's kick some Romulan ass . . ."

Go see it!

NickD

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While I am a huge Sci-fi Geek, Never really been much of a Trekkie. I liked the movies and the most of the TV series but never thought it was more than just average Sci-fi for the most part.

I went to the Opening of the New Movie last night with 3 Hardcore Pointy Ear Wearing, klingon Speaking mega Trekkies and 1 total Non-Scifi type.

All 5 of us loved the movie. The movie was funny, great Characters (Casting could not have been better (except for maybe Checov). They really did manage to catch the essence of Star Trek without making the Movie overly Trekkie.

The Hardcore Trek fans that I went with went in with low expectations because they knew the Story line was not the same as the established story. They were happy with the way the Movie explained this.

Uhura was just plain fucking SMOKING!!! in this movie. The Kurt character was pure Kirk (Only without the really bad acting like the original). Great action scenes and a story that very well written. So many subtle references to the original series (even a great shot at Enterprise (The last TV series) with Scotty and Archers Beagle) and movies. Nemoy is this movie and has much more than just a Cameo as most people thought.

If you are a Trek fan, You will love it.
If you are NOT a Trek Fan, You will be after this one.

A very good movie IMHO. I've been a trekkie since the beginning. I admit, I was skeptical about JJ Abrams, at first, but I think he did an excellent job.

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Just saw it . . .

"Let's kick some Romulan ass . . ."

Go see it!

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And there we have it. It's a Weld the doors shut, throw a Confederate flag on the ol' NC-1701 and we'll "Bubba up" them Star Trekers kinda movie.

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