RhondaLea 4 #76 September 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteTim, (if you're still with me) Truth be told, I was somewhat baiting in hopes to hear a more in depth Nick DiGiovanni-ism and that was a good one. Thank you. Yer a tool...as in a great tool for getting Nick to expound. I think you should do it more often. (I really did believe you guys planned that other bit, although I have been assured that I was wrong. Nonetheless, the interaction between the two of you when you poke him a bit is a great gift. Keep up the good work.) On the subject of this thread, I suggest that the only path of redemption for the Red Bull boys is to get right back up to that exit and start planting (or a reasonable facsimile of same--if they want to pay someone to plant on their behalf, it's not quite as good an atoning act, but it'll do). The SBA should not bear the cost of fixing this, and neither should individual donors. The burden is on Red Bull to make good. (Note to Tom: Who is collecting donations? I doubt that Red Bull will do what they should, and someone has to take up the slack.)If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #77 September 27, 2009 QuoteNote to Tom: Who is collecting donations? I doubt that Red Bull will do what they should, and someone has to take up the slack. I believe the SBA (Swiss BASE Association) was going to take up a collection. I haven't checked in the last 24 hours or so, though, so I'm not for sure on that. I'd PM Mikki, although I think he's on BASEjumper.com more than he's on here.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #78 September 27, 2009 Quote You know what your right! Sue the shit out of those bastards, make them pay for chopping down some trees! Down with the the RBAF!.....Cmon now. "its not that serious" -Evo Please give me your address. I want to do some landscaping. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #79 September 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteHe said that he wished people would look at their own countries, the deforestation going on and their own problems at home and let the Swiss take care of Switzerland. Given that one of the people concerned (enough to start a Facebook group about the issue) was a Swiss jumper, who lives in Switzerland, that makes very little sense. yes, and given that this guy pretty much IS the SBA, and had no idea, and the mountain-guide that did it claims to be part of the Swiss BASE Association.. is NOT! michi will go there next weekend to re-plant some trees. i asked miles about it and he said that all of RBAF was against the cutting of those trees. apparently, the mountain-guide was pretty much at fault. a good friend of mine works for redbull, he got an enraged call from me straight away, he carried it on to his boss, so we'll just let it sink in and see what happens..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #80 September 28, 2009 paypal-account from michi is here: riplamousse@hotmail.com“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #81 September 28, 2009 QuoteWe want .................... a shubbery ....... ni (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #82 September 28, 2009 Is it too late to hope they(the person that fucked up some perfectly good trees and beautiful place) have an awful accident involving a chainsaw and what used to be their penis? Assholes. Hey next time the military wants a LZ just for practice, lets just use a daisy cutter or a MOAB. Geez. You know what?, my knees are really bad and I want to go do some hiking up trails but they are way too steep. I think I will just blast the stone away and put in an escalator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #83 September 28, 2009 QuoteIs it too late to hope they(the person that fucked up some perfectly good trees and beautiful place) have an awful accident involving a chainsaw and what used to be their penis? Assholes. Hey next time the military wants a LZ just for practice, lets just use a daisy cutter or a MOAB. Geez. You know what?, my knees are really bad and I want to go do some hiking up trails but they are way too steep. I think I will just blast the stone away and put in an escalator. Hi W You don't have to personnaly go to extreme measures and screw every thing up to get to the top. From what I've read you can hire a local "somebody" that will help you get to the top so you be all you think you need to be.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ederen 0 #84 September 29, 2009 I was in Lauterbrunnen when the news of the cut trees came in, and the Red Bull guys were just as disappointed as anyone. A lot of the people on this thread love to jump to conclusions... and are reacting as if the jumpers of the RBAF were personally up there with chainsaws. I didn't like hearing about the trees either, but I didn't start wildly making statements about the RBAF or Red Bull. At this point, the trees are cut, and they were cut by locals who help maintain a lot of the BASE sites here. If you don't like it, at least complain about the right folks... yes, the ones who said, "I've been wanting to remove those particular trees for years". Not that it will do much good, because the trees are cut... just like the trees that were cut to build the hundreds of miles of ski lifts, tramways, and rack railroads in this part of the Bernese Alps of Switzerland. I'm not saying this is right, but seriously, it's none of my damn business what the Swiss want to do with their trees. And for those who think the RBAF guys, after years of working to be a part of this movie, should just quit the movie over massive deforestation (sic), you apparently haven't held a job for more than a month or understand what a steady paycheck means for people trying to raise families. "Yes, honey, it would be great if our family could pay our bills, but man, I sure showed those guys for cutting down those trees." Live in reality, folks. This apparently involves jumping out of some airplanes that burn 80 gallons of Jet A per hour and expel enough poisonous gas to fill a blimp hangar with every load, and then coming home to make wild accusations and bitch about stuff you don't know about on DZ.com. And to the person who started this thread on an international newsgroup, you should probably go work for Fox news with your passion for shit-stirring and half-truths about the relationship between Red Bull, the jumpers of the RBAF, and this situation. Hope you're proud. The trees are still cut, but don't you look cool! Come find me in the Horner this week and I'll buy you a beer. :-) -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #85 September 29, 2009 Quotethe trees are cut, and they were cut by locals who help maintain a lot of the BASE sites here. thats the straight out lie i've figured after talking to miles, michi (mikki_zh, pretty much mr. SBA) and a mate that shall remainn nameless, as he's a jumper too (both in skydiving and in BASEjumping), and its what gets ME upset.. some guy called martin, thinking he can do what he wants with just a year of BASE.. nah man, even RB thinks thats fucked up..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #86 September 29, 2009 Quote"Yes, honey, it would be great if our family could pay our bills, but man, I sure showed those guys for cutting down those trees." Being a professional jumper is not an excuse for poor conduct. Being a professional means that you have a duty to rise to a higher standard than other jumpers, because you are holding yourself up as a both a role model for newer jumpers, and as a spokesman for the sport to the outside world. Those who think of themselves as professional jumpers have a responsibility to provide a better example, to be more thoughtful, to behave more responsibly, and to exercise better judgement than others. "I need to make money" is a lame excuse for poor behavior. QuoteLive in reality, folks. This apparently involves jumping out of some airplanes that burn 80 gallons of Jet A... This is not about environmentalism. It's about BASE ethics. I'm not concerned about saving the planet--just the exit points. QuoteAnd to the person who started this thread... I'm PMing you my phone number. If you're going to be at Bridge Day, I'd love to have a beer and chat with you. If not, maybe we can talk on the phone.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites iambeav2 0 #87 September 29, 2009 So I was wondrin...you say the trees are cut and case over? Other than planting new trees, if the old debris from the cut ones are still there, can we use some wood glue and glue the old ones back up? Sorry...one of those mornings....it's not the fact that you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone...it's the fact that you don't appreciate what you have until someone appreciates it for you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ederen 0 #88 September 29, 2009 Quotethats the straight out lie i've figured Well, there you have it. You figured. Case closed. You've got your names right but your facts wrong. Leave the figuring to the folks who know what's up, and keep your second-hand information to yourself, mr virgin burner. heh, nice username, BTW. :-) -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ederen 0 #89 September 29, 2009 QuoteBeing a professional jumper is not an excuse for poor conduct. Apparently my writing skills aren't that great. Let me state it again, the professional jumpers didn't cut the trees, and the trees were not cut based on their conduct. If someone who freelances for a company that is working with the company you've worked for for 5+ years does something you believe to be wrong, do you quit your job in protest? Or do you just raise a verbal protest and then get on with your job? Think about it! QuoteThis is not about environmentalism. It's about BASE ethics. I, for one, wish it was about environmentalism. BASE ethics, if there are such things, get redefined depending on who's talking about them, and in my experience they get restructured to please the individual's needs. I will be missing Bridge Day this year but I will respond to your PM. -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy_Copland 0 #90 September 29, 2009 Quote BASE ethics, if there are such things, get redefined depending on who's talking about them, and in my experience they get restructured to please the individual's needs. Meh, they seem pretty simple to me. Contact locals, dont burn other peoples shit and treat sites with respect. 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #91 September 29, 2009 i got good intelligence, dont know who the fuck you are tough.. if you're in my neck of the woods, as you like yourself made out to be, hit me up for a beer or two; if not, you're just one of the wanna-be's..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ederen 0 #92 September 29, 2009 Quoteif you're in my neck of the woods, as you like yourself made out to be, hit me up for a beer or two I'll be here in the Lauterbrunnen/Interlaken area for another 10 days. If you're around, let's get a pint of RugenBrau. -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #93 September 29, 2009 PM sent“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bolas 5 #94 September 29, 2009 Had to be done... http://kanyelicious.appspot.com/http://redbullairforce.com/2009/09/chasing-andy-in-switzerland Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #95 September 29, 2009 FUCK you randy!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravitysurfer 0 #96 September 29, 2009 Nick- Once again with that post you've reminded me why I always enjoyed reading your F.O.J. so much back in the nineties. Cheers aloha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites petejones45 0 #97 October 6, 2009 Way to jump to conclusions, genius Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Baksteen 84 #98 October 6, 2009 Quote Way to jump to conclusions, genius Popcorn, anyone? "That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites petejones45 0 #99 October 6, 2009 Haha, What is the deal with redbull anyways?Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites moto89 0 #100 October 6, 2009 QuoteHaha, What is the deal with redbull anyways? It gives you wiiings. And chainsaws.Less talking, more flying. 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iambeav2 0 #87 September 29, 2009 So I was wondrin...you say the trees are cut and case over? Other than planting new trees, if the old debris from the cut ones are still there, can we use some wood glue and glue the old ones back up? Sorry...one of those mornings....it's not the fact that you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone...it's the fact that you don't appreciate what you have until someone appreciates it for you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ederen 0 #88 September 29, 2009 Quotethats the straight out lie i've figured Well, there you have it. You figured. Case closed. You've got your names right but your facts wrong. Leave the figuring to the folks who know what's up, and keep your second-hand information to yourself, mr virgin burner. heh, nice username, BTW. :-) -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ederen 0 #89 September 29, 2009 QuoteBeing a professional jumper is not an excuse for poor conduct. Apparently my writing skills aren't that great. Let me state it again, the professional jumpers didn't cut the trees, and the trees were not cut based on their conduct. If someone who freelances for a company that is working with the company you've worked for for 5+ years does something you believe to be wrong, do you quit your job in protest? Or do you just raise a verbal protest and then get on with your job? Think about it! QuoteThis is not about environmentalism. It's about BASE ethics. I, for one, wish it was about environmentalism. BASE ethics, if there are such things, get redefined depending on who's talking about them, and in my experience they get restructured to please the individual's needs. I will be missing Bridge Day this year but I will respond to your PM. -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #90 September 29, 2009 Quote BASE ethics, if there are such things, get redefined depending on who's talking about them, and in my experience they get restructured to please the individual's needs. Meh, they seem pretty simple to me. Contact locals, dont burn other peoples shit and treat sites with respect. 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #91 September 29, 2009 i got good intelligence, dont know who the fuck you are tough.. if you're in my neck of the woods, as you like yourself made out to be, hit me up for a beer or two; if not, you're just one of the wanna-be's..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ederen 0 #92 September 29, 2009 Quoteif you're in my neck of the woods, as you like yourself made out to be, hit me up for a beer or two I'll be here in the Lauterbrunnen/Interlaken area for another 10 days. If you're around, let's get a pint of RugenBrau. -Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #93 September 29, 2009 PM sent“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #94 September 29, 2009 Had to be done... http://kanyelicious.appspot.com/http://redbullairforce.com/2009/09/chasing-andy-in-switzerland Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #95 September 29, 2009 FUCK you randy!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurfer 0 #96 September 29, 2009 Nick- Once again with that post you've reminded me why I always enjoyed reading your F.O.J. so much back in the nineties. Cheers aloha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petejones45 0 #97 October 6, 2009 Way to jump to conclusions, genius Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #98 October 6, 2009 Quote Way to jump to conclusions, genius Popcorn, anyone? "That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petejones45 0 #99 October 6, 2009 Haha, What is the deal with redbull anyways?Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moto89 0 #100 October 6, 2009 QuoteHaha, What is the deal with redbull anyways? It gives you wiiings. And chainsaws.Less talking, more flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
