JohnDeere 0 #26 July 14, 2009 QuoteI'm merely suggesting that instead of throwing the waste in a dump that is only going to take up land space that could be otherwise used for something good Um yea thats not how it works. Most landfills are there because we dug up (dirt, rock, marble granite etc.) to use for new constuction,example we use better dirt that is dug up to create a better place for vegitation to grow (by useing better soil that what was on the job). So landfills are big holes in the ground untill we put trash in them. Do you really like big holes that much?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boinky 0 #27 July 14, 2009 Quote Do you really like big holes that much? And when those "useful" holes are filled up, then what? We dig more holes? Again, I am merely suggesting that instead of filling up dumps and having to make NEW dumps, why not recycle a few things and save some space? Recycling isn't that hard. And some garbage companies will actually pick the stuff up at the curb.Nina Are we called "DAWGs" because we stick our noses up people's butts? (RIP Buzz) Yep, you're a postwhore-billyvance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #28 July 14, 2009 Quote Quote Do you really like big holes that much? And when those "useful" holes are filled up, then what? We dig more holes? Again, I am merely suggesting that instead of filling up dumps and having to make NEW dumps, why not recycle a few things and save some space? Recycling isn't that hard. And some garbage companies will actually pick the stuff up at the curb. Recycling is expensive. We should spend more because we have less now.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #29 July 14, 2009 Quote Quote Do you really like big holes that much? And when those "useful" holes are filled up, then what? We dig more holes? Again, I am merely suggesting that instead of filling up dumps and having to make NEW dumps, why not recycle a few things and save some space? Recycling isn't that hard. And some garbage companies will actually pick the stuff up at the curb. We are always diggin more holes for more natural resources. That will never stop! I understand what you are saying but recycling is not what you think it is! We waist more money on recycling that it is worth. The companys that pick up stuff at houses do that cus most of them have to due to the city conrtacts. Alot of recycling companys are subsidised by the govt. cus they cant make enough money recycling the products to pay just to pick them up! The ones that aren't subsidised are only doing it to get the trash and rolloff business for that city. And if your doing it for the "enviroment". Your being counterproductive. They use more fuel and electricity to pick up and recycle those products than it would use to just make the same product out of new stuff. We are not hurting for natural resources to produce new products!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boinky 0 #30 July 14, 2009 There's always going to be different opinions on these sorts of issues. But you can't force either opinion on someone who doesn't choose to believe it. I choose to believe that recycling is helping the environment for the future. You can choose to believe and do what you please.Nina Are we called "DAWGs" because we stick our noses up people's butts? (RIP Buzz) Yep, you're a postwhore-billyvance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #31 July 14, 2009 I was not trying to force anything on you! I was just saying how it is. I respect your opinion and your right to have that opinion.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 July 14, 2009 QuoteThere's always going to be different opinions on these sorts of issues. But you can't force either opinion on someone who doesn't choose to believe it. I choose to believe that recycling is helping the environment for the future. You can choose to believe and do what you please. I don't think we are trying to FORCE anything on you. Simply explain our point of view.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #33 July 14, 2009 Woah woah woah- I wasn't going to chime in until you said this: >cus they cant make enough money recycling the products to pay just to pick them up! I have a friend who runs a recycling business and he just rented a warehouse and is expanding his enterprise-which is rare in this crappy economy....he gets 0 subsidies from the govt. Even though commodities have taken a huge hit in the last year his business is still growing not only from the fees he charges customers on his rout- but for the amount he gets per ton of recyclables he returns to the companies who are becoming more efficient at reusing waste materials that are generated by the local community. Even though this is the Bonfire You know that you still have to back up these claims you are making as to the inefficiency of recycling materials which have ALREADY been refined from raw ore or timber to pass the bs test here too. watch.....as natural resources dwindle, Landfills will become the goldmines of the future.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #34 July 14, 2009 Well i used to run a trash company so I know a little about this subject! I also know several owners of trash companys. The only easy way to earn money in recycling is in metals etc. Heres a couple of places you can start. Let me know what you think. I'm not trying to change peoples mind's. Just trying to point out fact's! http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/11735/Recycling_Your_Time_Can_Be_Better_Spent.html http://environment.ncpa.org/commentaries/recycling-is-a-waste http://fora.tv/2007/10/27/Battle_of_Ideas_Recycling_is_a_Waste_of_Time http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/82772 http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/304/ Happy readingEdit: BTW to say as if im trying to pass BS here. You are the first to ask for proof and i provided it! Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #35 July 14, 2009 I appreciate you backing up your claims that recycling is inefficient. It took some time to read through it and watch the vids one of which is actually a good debate and it is a matter of opinion who won that argument. It is a hot topic these days, and there is plenty to complain about, It is labor intensive at this point but as I said the infrastructure is slowly improving partly due to political will, and as time goes on there will have to be a shift from mining/using raw materials to recycling due to the finite nature of elemental deposits worldwide. I too am not a fan of fair weather feel good incentives that don't actually save energy or resources. Ethanol is a prime example of pushing for a feel good technology before the infrastructure can efficiently process, store,transport and use it especially since oil prices have dropped which made the situation worse. I got burned by that line of thinking myself So I can relate to your outrage. None the less we still live in relative glut of resources perceptually, oil included FOR RIGHT NOW. But here are some examples of cases where recycling actually pays off financially vs mining/ using raw materials in a way that I think you can relate to. -and no, I am not trying to be a wiseass with these links;http://www.industryweek.com/articles/deere_recycles_the_rain_1459.aspx http://www.deere.com/en_US/compinfo/envtsafety/productleadership/remanufacturing.html http://www.iowadnr.gov/waste/p2/files/cs/johndeere03.pdf Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #36 July 15, 2009 Quote -and no, I am not trying to be a wiseass with these links Yea ok No really i beleive you!Yes the video is opinions from both sides. That is why i put it up. I'm not one to blindly beleive things without checking them out. I have read alot of artical's about this subject and have alot of real world expierence with recycling.I very much beleive in recycling rain water and reusing alot of matierials. But i dont beleive it helps the enviroment to recycle plastics, bottles, and most paper products. I dont mean that as a blanket stament. There some instances that recycling those make alot of sence. Such as at manufacturing plants were the already produce those products. Like damaged products that they cant sell but can recycle at that plant and reuse to make another new product. When you go hualing things across the state/ country more times than not you are being couterproductive! Edit to add: Quote Ethanol is a prime example of pushing for a feel good technology Dont even get me started on ethanol!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #37 July 15, 2009 >When you go hualing things across the state/ country more times than not you are being couterproductive! decentralised recycling facilities would solve the transport problem especially if located near rails.......and running the collection trucks on biodiesel(uh oh) Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
