vicodin and percocet.....

[d_squared431 0]

Looks like the FDA is trying to pull the two off the market and then address the type of tylenol products you can buy over the counter.

I can just imagine the calls we will get tomorrow...this is going to be a nightmare....

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[guppie01 0]

I saw that earlier...

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[1969912 0]

Even if they pull them, you'll still be able to get oxycodone and hydrocodone without the acetaminophen, assuming they're available now. They're just trying to deal with the problem of people taking way too much acetaminophen without realizing it nad causing liver damage. A few 5/500 vicodins plus 4 big tylenols, and a few shots of cold/headache reliever in one day is probably pretty hard on your liver.

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[thedude325 0]

It's crazy. I always thought they put the acetaminophen in there to prevent you from abusing the pills.

[1969912 0]

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It's crazy. I always thought they put the acetaminophen in there to prevent you from abusing the pills.

At least one of the two opiates (and probably both) are available by prescription in naked form. Also, it's pretty easy to filter out the apap (acetaminophen) if desired. The proposal probably won't do a whole lot as far as reducing liver failure in the long run, but from what I've read, the most common cause of liver failure is OD of apap, i.e. Tylenol. As a personal choice, I won't take apap due to its hepatotoxicity. Opiates? - Bring 'em on

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[JohnMitchell 16]

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They're just trying to deal with the problem of people taking way too much acetaminophen without realizing it nad causing liver damage. A few 5/500 vicodins plus 4 big tylenols,

When Vskydiver was really sick and in a a lot of pain, I had to point out this problem to one of her doctors and get the good stuff prescribed without the acetaminophen. Jeez, and I ain't even a doc.

[ryoder 1,590]

I had no idea they contained acetaminophen.
I just looked at a bottle in my stash and see it is labeled "Oxycodone/APAP".
I had to look up "APAP" online to see that it is really acetaminophen.
How the hell is the consumer to know there is acetaminophen in it, if they carefully avoid putting that on the label?

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[LongWayToFall 0]

Its gotta be a good thing. When you can only find pre blended items, it makes it hard to select a proper blend for yourself. OCs are just oxycodone, and hydro is available with very little tylenol although not none as far as I know. Let people mix the pills themselves rather than burning up their liver.

If anyone has any DANGEROUS vicodin or percocet they are looking to have professionally disposed of, I know a guy who can get it safely taken care of.

[skydiverbry 0]

Give me a friigin break!!!

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Screw all that...I'm holding out for demerol.

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[skydiverbry 0]

One word Opana

Bry

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[OlympiaStoica 0]

I got that stuff prescribed many times - it is sitting on the shelf ... I rarely took it - it makes me feel weird and don't like it ...

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[virgin-burner 1]

whatever you guys have laying around and want to be sure of it being taken care off, send it my way..

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[skydiverbry 0]

I need mine!! Shit,you go see the dragon

Bry

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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It's crazy. I always thought they put the acetaminophen in there to prevent you from abusing the pills.

Right. Liver damage is better than people having a good time with untaxed drugs, and prescribing opiates with APAP limits doctors' exposure to DEA troubles compared to opiates without (the drug classification gets worse with less than 325mg of APAP per 10mg of hydrocodone).

It's for the children.

We'll ignore that alchohol is the most abused drug for people like bus drivers. While I never lost a school bus driver to drugs, I did skip an academic competition when our driver was busted for DUI.

I didn't like being completely wasted on 120mg of hydrocodone a day (2 Norco 10/325 every 4 hours) but it beat nerve pain.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Even if they pull them, you'll still be able to get oxycodone and hydrocodone without the acetaminophen

Probably not.

Many doctors prefer to have their patients in agonizing pain when it means minimizing the DEA visits because they may be prescribing "too many" controlled substances, and DEA scrutiny goes up as the schedule number goes down. DEA attention leads to MDs having their prescription writing privileges yanked which makes it hard to practice medicine and pay off their six-figure malpractice insurance and med-school bills which aren't no-recourse loans like houses in many states. With doctors being human keeping their medical license often wins over humane pain relief.

Opiates compounded with enough APAP are a Schedule III drug.

Opiates with less or none are Schedule II just like cocaine. Ever had a prescription for coke?

I know people who can't work, can't walk, can't drive, can't sit at a computer without ending up in bed to get away from the pain who many doctors don't want to prescribe Schedule II opiates.

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A few 5/500 vicodins plus 4 big tylenols, and a few shots of cold/headache reliever in one day is probably pretty hard on your liver.

Acetaminophen being available as an OTC drug is a testament to how market presence influences American law. The effective and dangerous dosages are extremely close, with people taking less than the FDA approved 4 grams a day having liver transplants and successful lawsuits against the drug makers.

[virgin-burner 1]

wow, all it takes is a liver-transplant and you're a wealthy man..

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[ryoder 1,590]

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Liver damage is better than people having a good time with untaxed drugs, and prescribing opiates with APAP limits doctors' exposure to DEA troubles compared to opiates without (the drug classification gets worse with less than 325mg of APAP per 10mg of hydrocodone).

Damn.
First I learn my stash has been stepped on with hazardous chemicals,
then I learn it was The Man that stepped on it.

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Screw all that...I'm holding out for demerol.

Amen brother.

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[LongWayToFall 0]

All it will mean is that people will turn to harder street drugs, or starts synthesizing it themselves with readily available poppy pods. It is nice knowing that your opiates come from a factory where they ensure that you are getting a certain amount, it prevents overdoses. The DEA needs to get their funding cut, they spend too much time busting people who aren't a danger to others.