rlucus 0 #126 June 26, 2009 I'm not weighing in on either side of this argument... but sometimes settling out of court is cheaper than paying the lawyers and helps other things like public relations. Whether your guilty or not, this is a strategy used by corporations and celebrities in the screwed up American legal system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #127 June 26, 2009 Who gives a crap? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #128 June 26, 2009 >MJ settled with a large sum of money outside of court to my >knowledge. wether the parents might be greedy bastards (and let MJ >have access to the child in question), or not, thats not what i call "not >guilty". At least in the US, people are innocent until proven guilty. Indeed, in that case the charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. In the case you are referring to, the father was recorded as saying "If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever. Michael's career will be over." When asked how his attempt might harm his son, he said "That's irrelevant to me." At first his son denied any sexual misconduct. The father then drugged his son and extracted a "confession" from him, using a drug (sodium amytal) that leaves the subject very open to suggestion. To me, that says that there is more to this than "Jackson molested a kid." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #129 June 26, 2009 It was never proven beyond a reasonable doubt that MJ actually molested children. Lot of people on this thread seem to be absolutely positive that he was guilty, though. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #130 June 26, 2009 Quote Quote Try to remember the good he did. We all make mistakes. His may be true or false. We will never know for sure. He brought this together. How many lives did he save? MANY! Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0 Edited to add: Ptffft you youngsters talking shit probably don't even recognize these classic voices or faces that he brought together. Jackson made some pretty good records when he was younger and all his work for charities was at the time greatly appreciated. But I'm thinking the other way around: Don't let the good things he did when he was younger colour your opinion of him - the evils of his later life were much greater. Even if only one single accusation of child molesting is true, that is more than enough to undo any and all of the 'good' things he has/may have done. He was a celebrity - that doesn't (or rather SHOULDN'T) mean he can do as he pleases! Translation: ONE "oh shit" wipes out ALL "attaboys"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #131 June 26, 2009 Quote Yeah, no funnies.... someone in my office joked that he was trying to upstage Farrah g That's what I texted Divot when the news broke on TV. What an attention freak! After he released his "I'm Bad" single, it was all downhill from there. If I'm going to hell, might as well get in some gallows humor jokes before I go. Seriously, he was one of the greatest entertainers of all time. Nobody could dance and sing quite as good as he could. RIP MJ"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #132 June 26, 2009 ok I've held off as long as I could. Call the...www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #133 June 26, 2009 Quote ok I've held off as long as I could. Call the... I was expecting a crotch-grab in there... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #134 June 26, 2009 Quote Quote ok I've held off as long as I could. Call the... I was expecting a crotch-grab in there... out of all the jokes I've read yesterday and today, that was the only one that made me laugh. But yeah yoou're right...woulda been better with a crotch grabbing image. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #135 June 27, 2009 QuoteIt sucks he's dead at 50 - and he had kids. I think it's a shame when someone lives in a way that so many would be relieved that the madness is over. I was skimming to see if anyone mentioned his children. But, the latter of what you said made me think; I do feel relief, but not for anyone but him. It very much seems he led such a troubled life he could not properly deal with. Call me silly, but I am more concerned (and curious) as to what will become of Michael's children now and--more importantly--later in life. While his death was of little matter to me, I have found it difficult to escape with everyone talking. Thus, after skimming this thread, I found myself wanting to state and now having to stand behind billvon's responses.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #136 June 27, 2009 B3ta.com already has an Image Challenge for this: shockingly tasteless humor! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #137 June 27, 2009 Bill Bailey (Pearl Bailey's brother) in 1955, does the moonwalk at the end of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbPd2iu4bg Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #138 June 27, 2009 Two major icons of Generation X die a few hours apart and a few miles apart. One has the biggest selling poster of all time while the other has the largest selling album of all time. Jackson was in the stratosphere of superstardom while Fawcett was enormously famous in her own right. Every time I turn on the news, it's all Jackson. I've thought to myself many times, 'What about Farrah?' I know Farrah's death was expected while Jackson's was unexpected. I know Jackson is the bigger star. I guess what bugs me is that it is appearing to be that Jackson OD'd while Farrah fought courageously for 3 years against a brutal disease. Despite Jackson being the bigger star, I wish the media would give Farrah some fair coverage for her contribution to the entertainment industry. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #139 June 27, 2009 QuoteTwo major icons of Generation X die a few hours apart and a few miles apart. One has the biggest selling poster of all time while the other has the largest selling album of all time. Jackson was in the stratosphere of superstardom while Fawcett was enormously famous in her own right. Every time I turn on the news, it's all Jackson. I've thought to myself many times, 'What about Farrah?' I know Farrah's death was expected while Jackson's was unexpected. I know Jackson is the bigger star. I guess what bugs me is that it is appearing to be that Jackson OD'd while Farrah fought courageously for 3 years against a brutal disease. Despite Jackson being the bigger star, I wish the media would give Farrah some fair coverage for her contribution to the entertainment industry. X 2Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #140 June 27, 2009 According to a news report released in the last 10 minutes, his condition has stabilized and he is no longer running a high temperature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #141 June 27, 2009 Ha. This is a crackup. Bolly/Hindi Thriller. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvP7dT3Dx0 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #142 June 28, 2009 QuoteI'm warning everyone right now to obey Forum Rule #2: No jokes about or references to pedophilia. None. I've already deleted 2 posts. Any more jokes along this line will not be tolerated and you will be banned. I understand the NO JOKES about pedophila rule but no references to it? Isn't the name itself a reference to pedophilia? Whether guilty or innocent, public opinion is that he is a pedophile.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #143 June 28, 2009 >I understand the NO JOKES about pedophila rule but no references to it? From the rules: ============= No References to Pedophilia References to pedophilia can only be made in a factual context or in discussion of certain political and social issues. Outside of those limited contexts Dropzone.com will have a zero-tolerance policy to pedophilia and any reference thereto will be removed without explanation. ============= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #144 June 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Try to remember the good he did. We all make mistakes. His may be true or false. We will never know for sure. He brought this together. How many lives did he save? MANY! Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0 Edited to add: Ptffft you youngsters talking shit probably don't even recognize these classic voices or faces that he brought together. Jackson made some pretty good records when he was younger and all his work for charities was at the time greatly appreciated. But I'm thinking the other way around: Don't let the good things he did when he was younger colour your opinion of him - the evils of his later life were much greater. Even if only one single accusation of child molesting is true, that is more than enough to undo any and all of the 'good' things he has/may have done. He was a celebrity - that doesn't (or rather SHOULDN'T) mean he can do as he pleases! Translation: ONE "oh shit" wipes out ALL "attaboys" In the case of child abuse, yes."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
