mdrejhon 8 #1 August 26, 2005 My understanding is that if I am beyond the 120 day U.S. reserve repack cycle, but within the 180 day Canadian reserve repack cycle, I must still get my reserve repacked before I can jump at a U.S. dropzone. Correct? I'll get my repack anyway as in "better safe than sorry". I am curious if there was some very clear specific rule of thumb that compensates for differences between countries in reserve repack cycles, and when a jumper travels between them. At the moment, my assumption is the above rule: Make sure you're within the visiting country's reserve repack cycle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #2 August 27, 2005 This is what Part 105 says about it. I will leave it up you to decipher just what it means. *** 105.49 Foreign parachutists and equipment. (a) No person may conduct a parachute operation, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow a parachute operation to be conducted from that aircraft with an unapproved foreign parachute system unless— (1) The parachute system is worn by a foreign parachutist who is the owner of that system. (2) The parachute system is of a single-harness dual parachute type. (3) The parachute tem meets the civil aviation authority requirements of the foreign parachutist's country. (4) All foreign non-approved parachutes deployed by a foreign parachutist during a parachute operation conducted under this section shall be packed as follows— (i) The main parachute must be packed by the foreign parachutist making the next parachute jump with that parachute, a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. (ii) The reserve parachute must be packed in accordance with the foreign parachutist's civil aviation authority requirements, by a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator.*** SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #3 August 27, 2005 Save your re-pack money and make more skydives. As per the information posted above by Sparky point 4(ii) says that your reserve has to be in date according to Canadian rules. You'll be OK Don't forget to take your CSPA membership card with you!"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #4 August 27, 2005 QuoteSave your re-pack money and make more skydives. As per the information posted above by Sparky point 4(ii) says that your reserve has to be in date according to Canadian rules. You'll be OK Don't forget to take your CSPA membership card with you! as far as I know the DZ can dictate the rules. get a repack before you leave - its cheaper.... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #5 August 27, 2005 "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." .... besides, your profile lists TSOed gear manufactured in the USA. There is no slack for foreign jumpers wearing TSOed gear - in the USA -, they must conform to all American Federal Air Regulations. The "foreign gear waiver "was originally intended for europeans who wanted to jump european-made, non-TSDOed gear in Florida. Now that most european-made gear is covered by JTSO or JAAR TSO (both of which are almost identical to FAA TSOs), the whole foreign-gear waiver is out-dated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #6 August 27, 2005 you may not be OK at all - the FAA has definitions of 'foreign parachutist' and 'foreign gear' A USA made rig is NOT foreign gear, it is USA gear and thus US rules apply no matter where you are from. How about 'save the dropzone a bunch of federal hassles from guys with badges' and just get the rig packed within the 120 days. that way you will FOR SURE be within the rules. This is NOT dropzone option, even though many people think it is. It is a federal law, pilots get into trouble for it if you break the rules and get caught. TK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #7 August 28, 2005 If your rig is TSO'd you will need to have it packed every 120 days. See: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=96 .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #8 August 28, 2005 Hi Tom. Thanks. That clears it up. Indeed that is what I thought. Especially since my gear is made in USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #9 August 28, 2005 That's not the case at Perris. My gear is TSO'd, and upon visiting at the start of the month, they said they adhered to other countries repack cycles. So my PA Talon with Airforce reserve was in date even though all components are TSO'd and it was packed about 130 days prior. This was also confirmed by email prior to my visit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 August 28, 2005 QuoteThat's not the case at Perris. My gear is TSO'd, and upon visiting at the start of the month, they said they adhered to other countries repack cycles. So my PA Talon with Airforce reserve was in date even though all components are TSO'd and it was packed about 130 days prior. This was also confirmed by email prior to my visit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perris Valley cut you some slack, outside of the letter of the law. The difference between an FAA TSO and an Australian TSO is insignificant. Talons were originally TSOed by Rigging Innovations in the USA. Parachutes Australia builds Talons under license from R.I. Don't push your luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 August 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's not the case at Perris. My gear is TSO'd, and upon visiting at the start of the month, they said they adhered to other countries repack cycles. So my PA Talon with Airforce reserve was in date even though all components are TSO'd and it was packed about 130 days prior. This was also confirmed by email prior to my visit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perris Valley cut you some slack, outside of the letter of the law. The difference between an FAA TSO and an Australian TSO is insignificant. Talons were originally TSOed by Rigging Innovations in the USA. Parachutes Australia builds Talons under license from R.I. Don't push your luck. I don't think it was so much they cut him some slack as they did not understand the language of Part 105.49 Under Part 105.3 under definitions: QuoteApproved parachute means a parachute manufactured under a type certificate or a Technical Standard Order (C–23 series), or a personnel-carrying U.S. military parachute (other than a high altitude, high speed, or ejection type) identified by a Navy Air Facility, an Army Air Field, and Air Force-Navy drawing number, an Army Air Field order number, or any other military designation or specification number. Foreign parachutist means a parachutist who is neither a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and is participating in parachute operations within the United States using parachute equipment not manufactured in the United States. If your H/C or your reserve were manufactured under an FAA TSO-C23 series it must be inspected and repacked by a FAA certificated parachute rigger within 120 days of use. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #12 August 30, 2005 A couple of points to digest. Firstly, the 180 day repack cycle is not imposed by transport Canada, it's imposed by CSPA. TC only regulates gear used in demo jumps. (I've tried looking for other references, they just ain't there). Secondly, a southern DZ can refuse to let you jump for any reason they wish; be it that your gear was repacked over 120 days, it clashes with everyone elses gear or you maybe they just don't like how you polka. I wouldn't take the risk, repack it. It's cheaper up here.I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hemphog 0 #13 August 30, 2005 You're right. Transport doesn't say anything about reserve repacks. It's only for if you and the dz will be covered under the CSPA insurence. I don't know what the deal is in the US tho. But I've been to American dz's where they've allowed Canadians to jump >120 day but <180 reserves. Why can't we just all settle on the German 1 year repack? Even the 6 months in Canada leaves me with a month out of date either at the beginning or end of the season... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Ya we'll rape the local objects, and maybe do some jumps too!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #14 August 31, 2005 QuoteEven the 6 months in Canada leaves me with a month out of date either at the beginning or end of the season... Hate to hyjack the thread but that's a good point about a 6 mo cycle in Canada. I get bogged down because everyone gives me thier gear a couple of days before we open at the start of the season and at the end of the season, the DZO (also me) has to decide whether or not to let someone jump the last weekend with a reserve that's a week out of date! The 6 mo cycle can only work right if you have a 5 mo season!I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #15 August 31, 2005 Solution: 7 month repack cycle Nontheless, I'm playing on the safe side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #16 August 31, 2005 Quote I wouldn't take the risk, repack it. It's cheaper up here. If it's cetificated (TSO'd) gear it has to be packed by an FAA rigger. CSPA rigger's don't cut it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martz 0 #17 August 31, 2005 I have also jumped in USA with a repack > 120 ... Crosskeys don't any problem with that=============================== Ourson # 5 impatient de sauter # 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #18 August 31, 2005 QuoteSolution: 7 month repack cycle Solution #2: Jump in the winter as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #19 August 31, 2005 Actually ... FAR 105.49 (a) (ii) The reserve parachute must be packed in accordance with the foreign parachutist's civil aviation authority requirements, by a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. Seeing that TC doesn't have any requirments regarding repacks except on demos (Quote the reference to repack schedules is now only found in CAR 623.06.), you can have drunk, half retarded monkey pack it and it would be a-ok I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #20 August 31, 2005 QuoteActually ... FAR 105.49 (a) (ii) The reserve parachute must be packed in accordance with the foreign parachutist's civil aviation authority requirements, by a certificated parachute rigger, or any other person acceptable to the Administrator. Seeing that TC doesn't have any requirments regarding repacks except on demos (Quote the reference to repack schedules is now only found in CAR 623.06.), you can have drunk, half retarded monkey pack it and it would be a-ok Read Andrews post again. He said "If it is certified gear..." That means TSO'ed reserve and container, and as has been discussed here, that must be packed by an FAA rigger within 120 days.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #21 August 31, 2005 It really depends on how you interpret foreign gear. Is it foreign because of origion or ownership? Would a solution be to cut off the TSO tag and therefore voiding the TSO? Where would flying high's Sidewinder fit into all of this. Finally, FAR 105.49 does not have a TSO not-withstanding clause. I don't think the TSO is relevent. Was the FAR in question was written with foreign technical standards in mind or is it to accomodate foreigners who have equipment maintained under other laws and regulations? To say that a Canadian with TSO'd gear can't jump a CSPA riggers pack job in the US is not supported in black and white by the FARs. In fact, it passes responsibility by making reference to regulations that simply don't exist in Canada. If you reread my post, you'll see that that is the grey area I am poking fun at.I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #22 August 31, 2005 QuoteIt really depends on how you interpret foreign gear. Is it foreign because of origion or ownership? Would a solution be to cut off the TSO tag and therefore voiding the TSO? Where would flying high's Sidewinder fit into all of this. Finally, FAR 105.49 does not have a TSO not-withstanding clause. I don't think the TSO is relevent. It is in black and white, and the TSO is relevant. If a rig and reserve are TSO'ed it must be packed according to US standards regardless of who the owner is or where they live. If the rig or reserve are not TSO'ed then the home country standard applies, but only if the owner is a citizen of that country, and only for that owner. Go to the top of this thread and count down seven posts 'till you find my first response. Then click on the link to the DZ.com feature about the issue. It is black and white. It is black and white. It is black and white. .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #23 August 31, 2005 This is a re-post from my earlier post. Quote Approved parachute means a parachute manufactured under a type certificate or a Technical Standard Order (C–23 series), or a personnel-carrying U.S. military parachute (other than a high altitude, high speed, or ejection type) identified by a Navy Air Facility, an Army Air Field, and Air Force-Navy drawing number, an Army Air Field order number, or any other military designation or specification number. Foreign parachutist means a parachutist who is neither a U.S. citizen or a resident alien and is participating in parachute operations within the United States using parachute equipment not manufactured in the United States. If your H/C or your reserve were manufactured under an FAA TSO-C23 series it must be inspected and repacked by a FAA certificated parachute rigger within 120 days of use. It is pretty cut and dry. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teason 0 #24 August 31, 2005 Well, I'm a big believer that the purpose of debate is knowledge not victory. With that in mind, Tom, thanks for steering me on the right path. I'll be sure to remind my jumpers going south that I'm FAA rated. TimI would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #25 September 1, 2005 I'm so glad I've got my rigger's ticket, seal press and pen... ... my rigs are always in date. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
