Best transition canopy?

[packing_jarrett 0]

I'm 135lbs. with gear on. I have 40 jumps. I jumped a 230skymaster(9cell ZP) for 20 jumps, a triathalon 160 for 3 jumps, and a Diablo 135 for 17 jumps. What would be the better transition canopy. these are my immiadiate choices.

Na' Cho' Cheese

[jsaxton 0]

spend more time on your current canopy, say..... 200-300 jumps.
at 1.0-1.2 you will learn PLENTY over the next 100-500 jumps.

[AndyMan 7]

How about none of the above?

Saber2 150, Pilot 150, Lotus 150, Safire2 150 would all be reasonable choices if you downsized to them gradually, by going down one size at a time.

They'd also be a hell of a lot of fun.

A 135 is WAY too small for your limited experience. Wingloadings do not scale linearly. While 1.0 is a great first wingloading for a bigger person, it can be quite aggresive for a smaller one.

_Am

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[hexadecimal 0]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't a Diablo a canopy that someone with 40 jumps shouldn't be jumping at all, regardless of wing loading?

I know the Stiletto isn't a good idea...

[teason 0]

OMG! A stilletto is now a transition canopy for jumpers with 40 jumps!?!

You were jumping a diablo at 23 jumps!?!
Are your instructors taking crazy pills!

Go with the Sabre 150 and fly the living snot out of it. I've seen many jumpers go for high performance canopies and learn at half the speed of those with lower wing loadings.

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[AndyMan 7]

Yup, the Diablo is the 'twitchiest' of the canopies I've ever jumped. I would not recomend it to someone at 40 jumps at any wingloading. It's way too easy to toggle yourself into a ditch.

_Am

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[Elisha 1]

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OMG! A stilletto is now a transition canopy for jumpers with 40 jumps!?!

You were jumping a diablo at 23 jumps!?!
Are your instructors taking crazy pills!

Go with the Sabre 150 and fly the living snot out of it. I've seen many jumpers go for high performance canopies and learn at half the speed of those with lower wing loadings.

The Sabre 150 was not one of the choices, but the Stiletto 150.

I vote Sabre 135, as it is on the list.

[hookitt 1]

Transition to what? You're on one of the fastest turning canopies already. That 150 Stiletto isn't going to be a faster canopy ... so skip it. Leave the Monarch alone because you'll be disappointed given the fact you'r jumping a radical canopy already.

Since your dad is letting you jump the Diablo, don't hurt yourself, and keep jumping it. By the time you get another couple hundred jumps in, chances are you'll weigh more, so in a sense, you'll be downsizing without changing canopies.

By then, you'll have a better idea what to switch to.

Hope that helps.

Edit: I think I misunderstood the question. If you're asking what is a more reasonable canopy for now, try the sabre. There are so many things you can do on it and you will probably learn a lot more with less risk.

Hope that helps... again

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[fffff 0]

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How about none of the above?

Saber2 150, Pilot 150, Lotus 150, Safire2 150 would all be reasonable choices if you downsized to them gradually, by going down one size at a time.

They'd also be a hell of a lot of fun.

A 135 is WAY too small for your limited experience. Wingloadings do not scale linearly. While 1.0 is a great first wingloading for a bigger person, it can be quite aggresive for a smaller one.

_Am

Couldn't have said it any beter!

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[phoenixlpr 0]

I`d rather wait 40-50 jumps and buy than.

Anyway I know some fellow skydivers having 120,135 sqft [square/Sabre] canopy for the first around jump number 60-80. They are quite light and their WL is under 1.2 I guess.

[pkasdorf 0]

Definitely none of the above!

HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757

[mr2mk1g 10]

You plannin' on transitioning to a box or something?

A 1:1 loading on a 135 is NOT the same as a 1:1 wingloading on a 190... and that's before we even get on to the type of canopy you're flying.

[spanky39154 0]

I cannot beleive i just read that !!!
How bout we take bets on how long before this guys in a box six feet under!!! at this rate before 100 Jumps!!!!
And what DZ lets him on those canopies????

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[phoenixlpr 0]

Relax.

You can fly even a lighly loaded elliptical conservative way or crash with a Navigator like I did. You don't know him.

[spanky39154 0]

To a certain extent i'll take that back having read his profile and found he's only 14! Missed that bit still be better with a sabre or pilot.
Ant there an age limit in US???

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[phoenixlpr 0]

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Ant there an age limit in US???

Don't ask me. I have not ever been to US.

[wmw999 2,445]

The age limit is from the US Parachute Association; it's not a civil law. So if you jump at a dropzone that is not USPA-associated (they exist, and are by no means necessarily unsafe) you can not follw the Basic Safety Regulations.

Most of the BSRs are real safety issues -- competent instruction, pull altitudes. Some dropzone families feel their children are mature enough to jump before the USPA age of 16, and they are willing to sign the legal paperwork for them to jump.

I'd suggest a Sabre or Sabre 2 150 or something like that for Jarrett -- it'll grow with him, and give him the opportunity to do stupid stuff sometimes (which adolescents just plain do) with a slightly smaller chance of life-altering injury. He'll get heavier over the next couple of years, so that'll help the wing loading.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sdctlc 0]

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The age limit is from the US Parachute Association; it's not a civil law. So if you jump at a dropzone that is not USPA-associated (they exist, and are by no means necessarily unsafe) you can not follw the Basic Safety Regulations.

Wendy W.

USPA says 16 with parental sign off but I know of many states, Washington included, where a parent cant sign the childs rights away. As a result there are some DZ's that stick to an age limit of 18 as a min.

The question of family is one that I dont have an issue with espically if they have been around a DZ all their life. Is there an issue though with a under 16 y/o if they are jumping at a USPA group Member DZ? The mullins kids had tons of jumps before 16 but I dont know if they were jumping exclusively at Non-Group Member DZ's. I mention them as they are a well know example of a family in skydiving that has young kids in teh sport..

Scott C.

"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!"

[packing_jarrett 0]

I want to go to a stilleto 135 because I'm having bad landing under the diablo. I'm not wing loading it enough so I HAVE to get speed to get a good landing. If I get a stilleto 135 it will have a better glide so I won't have to go as fast. We'll see how I do under it this weekend.

Edit: I didn't intend on making this one of those "your under 16 and jumping? what about the law?" sort of posts!

Na' Cho' Cheese

[pilotdave 0]

Why such a big stilleto? You'll load that too light too, won't you? Besides, stilletos are old technology. You want a velocity!

Wait, were you serious?? You really need to get some advice from someone that knows ANYTHING about canopy flight. Please.

Dave

[Frenchy68 0]

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Why such a big stilleto? You'll load that too light too, won't you? Besides, stilletos are old technology. You want a velocity!

Wait, were you serious?? You really need to get some advice from someone that knows ANYTHING about canopy flight. Please.

Dave

I think his dad may know a little about canopy flight.
Jarrett, out of curiosity, what is your dad suggesting you fly?

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[packing_jarrett 0]

He says a sabre 135 then after a few jumps go to the stilleto

Na' Cho' Cheese

[hexadecimal 0]

Cool... so then a few jumps on the stilleto and you should be all set for a Velo, huh?

[Frenchy68 0]

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Cool... so then a few jumps on the stilleto and you should be all set for a Velo, huh?

His dad is an AFF instructor I believe (was he your instructor Jarrett?), and may have a more valid input than you or I. Even if we, with our lack of experience, and many others with much more experience, may not agree with it.
However, what prompted this thread? Looking for a "forum" second opinion?

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[phoenixlpr 0]

I hope that few could be couple of hundred.

Try to show some respect for canopies before they start to teach you some. You are mistaken if you think that the limit is the sky. Your limit is the ground. Broken wings heal long.....