Where has the respect gone?

[Tuna-Salad 0]

My grandfather died Monday and I attended his funeral today... I have not been to a funeral in maybe 5 years so I may not be up on the modern customs.

During the viewing people were taking pictures with cell phones and cheap disposable cameras. I found this to be very disrespectful. To take pictures of a dead man with a cheap camera to pay your respects? What the fuck is wrong with our world? Am I missing something? Is this a common thing now?


I would also like to add that this man served 42 years in the US Navy and served multiple tours during WW2 and Korea. The navy would not grant him a proper military burial. The best they did was provide the contact information for an american legion post (who bluntly told us they would not do the service if it was raining)
He got taps played through a cheap PA system and his 21 gun salute (7 rifles, 3 shots) 9 rifles, 3 shots... For his service he deserved it to be done right...
The list goes on and on...

I hope our guys from Iraq are not getting the shaft like he did.

Call it a rant or whatever, but this shit isn't right.

Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night.

[skydemon2 0]

I never saw the point of taking pictures of the dead maybe with the quick access of cameras these days people do it... but it does seem strange.

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone!

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[The_Don 0]

Sad & wrong on to many levels.

I am NOT being loud.
I'm being enthusiastic!

[skydemon2 0]

Wow another Vet... Sorry about your loss.

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone!

I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!!

[BaronVonBoll 0]

I am sorry for your loss

I stabnd and salute your grandfather for his service! TAPS to you SIR

Baron

[Opendore 0]

Much Love! I know I would have been pissed if people were disrespecting my father like that...
Take Care.

I don't have a license for this.

[JohnMitchell 16]

I think 21 gun salute is usually 7 rifles X 3 shots. Sorry about your grandfather. He was a blessing to our country.

[squirrel 0]

i'll continue your rant.

it seems today that taking a picture or video with a phone somehow supersedes simply seeing, taking it in, reflecting, then telling someone of your experience. i feel people have become shallow, reliant on tech., and not even close to being in the moment and enjoying life as it passes. the last time i had to replace my cell phone, i ask for one that did not have a camera...and i just got a funny look.

i salute your grandfather. Through his service, I am able to live free today. (raises glass). My dad, 83, was a mechanic in WW2, never saw combat, but anyone who has serve, has my respect.

carry on, be strong, and dont let the idiots ruin your day.

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[AggieDave 6]

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He got taps played through a cheap PA system

That is why for my grandfather's funeral 7 years ago, I played taps for him on my trumpet. He was a WWII vet (Navy) who had 3 different ships sunk from beneath him, he deserved more than a cheap PA recording. I just wish I could have gotten another horn player so we could do echo taps.

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[LuckyMcSwervy 0]

Hey Tuner....

I'm so sorry for the loss of your grandfather. I am so grateful for his service to our country.

Hugs to you.

Hope to see you soon in Z-Hills again...

Karen

Always be kinder than you feel.

[Tuna-Salad 0]

Thanks all for the support and that. I am over his passing, but completely disgusted by the behavior of the navy on his part, and those who were snapping pictures like it was some sort of fucked up freak show.

Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night.

[stevebabin 0]

It sounds like your grandfather was a good man.
I'm sorry his funeral was less than what he deserved.

As far as photography at a funeral...I've been asked to do it at several. The only reason I agreed was that in each case, it was so that loved ones that could not attend could have a chance at closure that is such an important part of a funeral. I approached each assignment with professionalism, respect, and a desire to help. It was always done before the viewing, and as effeciently as I could.

Obviously, what happened at your grandfathers funeral was inappropriate, even if it was done with good intent.

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[nanook 1]

Sorry for your loss.

I'm Active duty Navy and am curious why they wouldn't render honors. According to your description, he was eligible unless dishonorable discharged. Were they too busy by any chance?

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[mnealtx 0]

I'm sorry for your loss.

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The navy would not grant him a proper military burial. The best they did was provide the contact information for an american legion post

Veteran organizations have always played a large part in rendering honors at ceremonies. There is no requirement to have a bugler as part of the detail. There is no requirement for a rifle salute.

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A funeral honors detail shall, at a minimum,
perform at the funeral a ceremony that includes the folding of a United States flag and presentation of the flag to the veteran's family and the playing of Taps. Unless a bugler is a member of the detail, the funeral honors detail shall play a recorded version of Taps using audio equipment which the detail shall provide if adequate audio equipment is not otherwise available for use at the funeral.

Sounds like the funeral director had his head up his ass.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[billeisele 130]

unfortunately there are not enough folks to provide the "proper burial" ceremony that our veterans deserve, those that can do the ceremony are booked almost every day, the farther you are away from a military town the harder it is to have it done

my father was also a Navy vet, the flag ceremony was done by my son, nephew and myself

a couple of his friends that were vets thanked us for doing it properly

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

[Tuna-Salad 0]

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Sorry for your loss.

I'm Active duty Navy and am curious why they wouldn't render honors. According to your description, he was eligible unless dishonorable discharged. Were they too busy by any chance?

Not sure, the funeral was 2 hours away from the JRB in fort worth and a commander at pensacola said it was too far away.

Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night.

[nanook 1]

Maybe this issue should be pushed some more. According to the FAQ's on this page, the Military is required to perform this service if requested.

http://www.militaryfuneralhonors.osd.mil/faqpage.html#

I know one thing about the Navy, they definitely inconvience a service member to keep their mission.

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[Tuna-Salad 0]

I wish I had seen this before the funeral. The family did not go through a funeral director and chose to contact the navy directly. That might of had something to do with it. We spoke to a commander, and when he said it could not be done I suggested speaking to his commanding officer, but that suggestion was rejected.

Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night.

[chiquita24 0]

Ok I see your point. And I don't think I could ever take pictures at someone elses' visitation, but I did take pictures of my mom at the visitation. If it was going to be the last time I ever saw her again, I wanted to keep that with me along with all the other memories.
So, in a way I guess I see both sides-although as I said, I don't think I could do it to someone else...