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[mark 107]

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freebags aren't split

Except Wings.

Mark

[hookitt 1]

Do the G4 bags flaps over lap like the wings freebag?

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

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freebags aren't split

Except Wings.

Mark

Guess they had to change it a bit to keep Sunpath from suing them...

[wardhessig 0]

Oh Goodie,
I love when I get to get on here and answer a few questions.

The split bag on the g4 is split because of this.

The g4 has a tapered main container which means the base of the container (the lowest part on the rig towards your butt) has a smaller circumfrence then the top of the main pack tray (near the reserve)

the g4 was designed that way to give it a more tear-dropped tapered look over the wedge look of the g3

We split the d-bag to accomodate the main tray. When you roll the packed d-bag's line stows towards the bottom, you are rolling the mouth of the bag towards the bottom of the rig which is narrower than the top.

The g-4 split bag when closed is the same size as the main pack tray with a smaller mouth than base.

If we were to make the bag non-split but still made to fit the main containers dimensions then you would have a smaller opening at the mouth than at the base for the canopy to come out of. Think of it as the monkey's fist in the tree scenario (a bunch of stuff out of a tiny hole). You have all that stuff trying to come out of a narrower opening. That opens the door to poor deployments and with todays highly elliptical heavily wing loaded canopies we all know what line twists usually means.

So we split the bag and hold it closed with a locking stow. When closed the dimensions of the d-bag are fitting to the tapered main container but after the last locking stow is released the bag is wide open, even wider than regular bags letting the canopy come out very freely.

We do offer a non-split d-bag but it is just a compatible size g-3 non split bag. It is not custom tailored to the dimensions of the g4 main tray but is compatible and works just fine. The only downside to it is that there is that extra material at the mouth of the bag. When you close the container that extra circumfrence of the bag andthe extra material just gets smooshed down by the main flaps. On most rigs you can't even notice a difference but I have had a couple rigs where you can see the bumps in the main flaps where the extra material is being smooshed down. ( i know not smooshed is not too technical of a term but it should suffice)

If you have a split g4 bag and are hating life here is a good tip to make closing it easier. On your locking stows that close the bag, use a pull-up cord threaded through the rubberband just as you would on your closing loop. It makes it much easier to handle and get it through the two grommetsthen trying to finger tip the rubberband through two grommets.

Ease of packing isn't a factor on either bag it is more of an aesthetics and good deployment thing. We approved the use of the compatible g3 bag for those customers who really don't like the split bag. We want to offer every available option and work to improve upon our product by customer feedback and there were those that hated the split bag.

So just some food for thought before sewing that bag closed. There have been individuals that have sewn the bag shut and I have heard neither good or bad about it but we don't recommend it.

If anyone wants any more info on it email me at ward@miragesys.com

If you don't know about something contact the manufacturer, we will be happy to explain it
thanks
ward

[mjosparky 4]

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If you don't know about something contact the manufacturer, we will be happy to explain it
thanks

What a unique concept.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[samyueru 0]

Thanks for the great info!

[pjc 0]

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any tips for packing it then?
I always feel like its hard to find where to put the canopy in it, because it doesn't have a 'definate' shape with the split...
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I fold as a normal pro-pack, then wedge my knees against the bottom of the canopy to keep the lines taut and then work the bag around the canopy, one side first, then stuff the other side in! Once its in, roll the bag forwards like normal and stick your knee on it to keep it there and stop the canopy coming out while you make the first stow to close the split. Then stow as a normal bag.

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[pjc 0]

If you have a split g4 bag and are hating life here is a good tip to make closing it easier. On your locking stows that close the bag, use a pull-up cord threaded through the rubberband just as you would on your closing loop. It makes it much easier to handle and get it through the two grommetsthen trying to finger tip the rubberband through two grommets.

[jdatc 0]

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If you have a split g4 bag and are hating life here is a good tip to make closing it easier. On your locking stows that close the bag, use a pull-up cord threaded through the rubberband just as you would on your closing loop. It makes it much easier to handle and get it through the two grommetsthen trying to finger tip the rubberband through two grommets.

What 2 grommets? I put the first (central) stow through the grommet on the other side of the split and make the first stow there so it is only holding the split closed, not the bag. Then use the 4 stows opposite the 4 grommets on the lid to close the bag so each stow only goes through one grommet. Is that wrong? I can't see any other way to do it!
Edit 4 spellin!

[wardhessig 0]

sorry to add to the confusion, we have two versions of the split bag depending on the size of your rig. A 3 grommet and a 4 grommet. You are closing your bag right if you have 4 grommets in the top flap. You pull the rubberband through the grommet on the other side of the split and then do a line stow, then onto the top flap grommets. On the smaller bags with 3 grommets the rubber band goes through the grommet on the other side of the split, then through the center grommet on the top flap, then the first bite of lines get stowed then alternate sides. My apologies, let me know if you need any more info.
ward