Chiropractor solving other issues besides backache??

[Twoply 0]

Has anyone had any experience with a chiropractor helping with allergies or fighting disease?

I read somewhere years ago about a little girl who's respiratory ailments were helped tremendously with a few adjustments from a back cracker. I didnt know if it was all bull.

I know adjustments make me feel a lot better and mobile.

[Cashmanimal 0]

I have a horrifically twisted back and pelvis, and WAS going to the chiro 2 or more times a week.... I stopped going for a couple months, and suddenly was having the worst side/stomach pains. After a while, I realized I hadn't taken a shit in like 5 days. Went to the chiro, got adjusted, had everything re-aligned, took a dump within a few hours.

So, I guess they can cure constipation.


Also, I have heard the claims that they can cue other non-skeletal ailments, but can't come up with any off the top of my head

It's all fun and until someone loses an eye... then it's just a game to find the eye

[sunshine 2]

I have a coworker who claims the chiropractor's weekly 'crackings' have made her migraines go away.

I've personally never been to a chiropractor, but i'm glad my coworker feels better.

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[jdthomas 0]

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Has anyone had any experience with a chiropractor helping with allergies or fighting disease?

I read somewhere years ago about a little girl who's respiratory ailments were helped tremendously with a few adjustments from a back cracker. I didnt know if it was all bull.

I know adjustments make me feel a lot better and mobile.

Having grown up in a chrio family, (grandfather, father and now wife) I would have to say yes they can help in some aspects.
How ever there are kooks in the chrio field of medicine that say they can cuer aids, my Cousins husband is one of those and flat out he is a kook that is hurting teh profession. Chriopractors can be thier own worst enemys as none of the schools can agree one one philospohy or explain why chriopratic adjustments work, they simply don't know!
I see my MD, think he is okay, I see my GI Doctor and think he is the best, My dentisit is the by far the best Dentisit I have ever had. I also get chriopractic care as it's part of the totale health care of myself, all are essintial to my health care.
Good luck in what you seek, have an open mind and make sure you get opinions of all kinds to better understand whats available to you.
Joe

www.greenboxphotography.com

[d_squared431 0]

They can help with allergies due to the adjustments you have done. Just make sure that it is a DO instead of just a Chiropractor. Also, your teeth can play a large role in sinus issues.

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[popsjumper 2]

Yes. For me:
-Headaches
-Acid indigestion
-Rotator cuff injury
-Stingers (sharp stabbing, fiery pains in arms/shoulders)

Yes. There are some quacks out there...just like medical doctors....just like all professions. Believe it or not...just like jumpers.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[peregrinerose 0]

'JUST a chiropractor?' DOs/MDs don't have a monopoly on knowledge base, and chiropractor grad school is extremely intense (having known a few students back when I was in OD school). Unfortunately, no single person can know everything about every body part, it's not humanly possible. Usually a 'team approach' is far better than 'just' an MD/DO

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[BIGUN 1,407]

On a business trip, I'm sitting next to a Chiropractor and we strike up a conversation. During the course of the conversation about his profession, he said one thing that stuck with me... "If a Chiropractor represents themselves as anything other than Doctors of Physiotherapy; you should walk away."

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[aresye 0]

My chiropractor is also a massage therapist, that works with pressure points. I've been seeing him since I was a kid, and my parents and siblings visit him as well. I've had him fix up my body multiple times, from minor sprains, to full body misalignment due to BUD/S, and other hard impacting events, such as when I dove myself into the ground on jump 88

The most miraculous thing he has done so far, has been ridding me of my childhood asthma. He basically worked some pressure points around my head, neck, and in my mouth, and my asthma stopped that day.

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[kbordson 8]

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'JUST a chiropractor?' DOs/MDs don't have a monopoly on knowledge base, and chiropractor grad school is extremely intense (having known a few students back when I was in OD school). Unfortunately, no single person can know everything about every body part, it's not humanly possible. Usually a 'team approach' is far better than 'just' an MD/DO

Being a DO, let me step in here with some real information.

To be an MD -
generally 4yrs of undergraduate (typically a BS or a BA)
generally 4yrs of Medical School
Residency of 3-6yrs following Medical School.

("generally" because there are several 6yr programs that combine the undergraduate and the Medical School)

To be a DO
4yrs of undergraduate degree (typically a BS or a BA)
4yrs of Medical School
Residency of 3-6yrs following Medical School

To be a Chiropractor
Undergraduate is not currently a requirement, however there are requirements prior to applying
10-12 trimester program (3.3-4yr) Chriopractic Education
Elective participation in Postgraduate residency programs available in chiropractic orthopedics, chiropractic radiology and chiropractic neurology. (also found some information on residency programs in pediatrics)

While I agree the team approach is best, it is misleading to try to equate all of the educational backgrounds.

That being said.

I do believe that manual medicine (stretching, "popping" and "aligning") does help with general wellness.
But, whether you need an Orthopedist or Neurologist (MD or DO), a DO that specializes in manipulation or a Chiropractor should be based on your individual needs and desires. If you have serious neck problems - don't just look to have things popped. Find out what is wrong first and then select the health care provider that best meets your needs.

[d_squared431 0]

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'JUST a chiropractor?' DOs/MDs don't have a monopoly on knowledge base, and chiropractor grad school is extremely intense (having known a few students back when I was in OD school). Unfortunately, no single person can know everything about every body part, it's not humanly possible. Usually a 'team approach' is far better than 'just' an MD/DO

Being a DO, let me step in here with some real information.

To be an MD -
generally 4yrs of undergraduate (typically a BS or a BA)
generally 4yrs of Medical School
Residency of 3-6yrs following Medical School.

("generally" because there are several 6yr programs that combine the undergraduate and the Medical School)

To be a DO
4yrs of undergraduate degree (typically a BS or a BA)
4yrs of Medical School
Residency of 3-6yrs following Medical School

To be a Chiropractor
Undergraduate is not currently a requirement, however there are requirements prior to applying
10-12 trimester program (3.3-4yr) Chriopractic Education
Elective participation in Postgraduate residency programs available in chiropractic orthopedics, chiropractic radiology and chiropractic neurology. (also found some information on residency programs in pediatrics)

While I agree the team approach is best, it is misleading to try to equate all of the educational backgrounds.

That being said.

I do believe that manual medicine (stretching, "popping" and "aligning") does help with general wellness.
But, whether you need an Orthopedist or Neurologist (MD or DO), a DO that specializes in manipulation or a Chiropractor should be based on your individual needs and desires. If you have serious neck problems - don't just look to have things popped. Find out what is wrong first and then select the health care provider that best meets your needs.

I am glad you popped in here.
The reason I said a DO is that I have been to a chiropractors and DOs for my neck and back over the years and there is a difference with how the two work. It isn't manipulation with a DO. They let your body do the work instead of just snapping and cracking you.

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[chaoskitty 0]

Your central nervous system runs through your spine. Subluxations (misalignments) in your spine interfere with 'optimal' performace of your nervous system.

Your nervous system controls all of the other systems of your body. ie.. respiratory, cardiovascular, etc.

Quite simply, when your spine is in alignment, your nervous system functions better, and ultimately, all of your body's systems function better.

I've been seeing a chiropractor once a week for more than 2 years. I haven't had as much as a head cold since.

[peregrinerose 0]

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While I agree the team approach is best, it is misleading to try to equate all of the educational backgrounds.

I'm not sure where you thought I was 'equating' anything... to compare MD/DOs to Chiros or any other specialty doesn't make a lot of sense as they are entirely different specialties.... one does not work to the exclusion of the other, one is not 'better' than the other, 'smarter' than the other, etc... they are different with different purposes. A DO/MD simply can not do a chiro's job (and if they claim to, they have no idea what they don't know) any more than a chiro can do an MD/DO's job.

I'm not sure why number of years of post-graduate education is relevent to this particular topic ... that would be like saying an RN or LPN is not a useful/important part of a health care team as they are not post-graduate degrees and don't have the same number of years of education.

Degrading any profession by calling someone 'only' a whatever or 'just' a whatever isn't appropriate.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[peregrinerose 0]

Chiropractors who say they cure allergies are lying, but with the exception of a few quacks, you probably will find that's not the norm.

However.... chiropractors can help with stress/tension. Stress can exacerbate all kinds of things, from asthma to retinal disease (look up central serous retinopathy for one), so it makes sense that if chiropractic helps with stress, it may mitigate some of the stress-related health problems. Look at the health benefits of accupuncture, yoga, good nutrition, exercise, etc.

So, would I suggest seeing a chiropractor for allergies? Nope, I'd suggest an allergist. But if you do have chiropractic issues, getting them treated can result in better overall health, reduced stress, and possible improvement of other health symptoms.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[kbordson 8]

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While I agree the team approach is best, it is misleading to try to equate all of the educational backgrounds.

I'm not sure where you thought I was 'equating' anything... to compare MD/DOs to Chiros or any other specialty doesn't make a lot of sense as they are entirely different specialties.... one does not work to the exclusion of the other, one is not 'better' than the other, 'smarter' than the other, etc... they are different with different purposes. A DO/MD simply can not do a chiro's job (and if they claim to, they have no idea what they don't know) any more than a chiro can do an MD/DO's job.

I'm not sure why number of years of post-graduate education is relevent to this particular topic ... that would be like saying an RN or LPN is not a useful/important part of a health care team as they are not post-graduate degrees and don't have the same number of years of education.

Degrading any profession by calling someone 'only' a whatever or 'just' a whatever isn't appropriate.

Actually. A Osteopathic physician IS trained in manual medicine.

Part of the curriculum includes Osteopathic Clinical Skills - which includes not JUST HVLA, the popping and cracking, but also
* Balanced ligamentous tension (BLT)
* Counterstrain
* Cranial osteopathy
* Joint mobilization - articulatory techniques
* Lymphatic pump
* Muscle Energy Technique (MET)
* Myofascial Release
* Neuromuscular therapy, trigger point therapy
* Soft tissue technique
* Visceral manipulation

Do I do manual medicine in my office? No. I did a four year residency in OB/Gyn. That is my field of expertise. But I still have the knowledge and use it on my family and friends. (and to insinuate that I "have no idea what I don't know" without knowing what the lectures are in an Osteopathic School is insulting)

And I wasn't "degrading" anyone's profession, but in your comment

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DOs/MDs don't have a monopoly on knowledge base, and chiropractor grad school is extremely intense (having known a few students back when I was in OD school).

it seemed to me that with the experience that you had knowing people that were in Chiropractic School, that you were equating them. I was just putting the facts out there.

There IS a place for Chriopractic Medicine (Manual Medicine). It is good for whole body health. It CAN actually help with asthma and allergies and even GI ailments. But note the "help" - it might not cure the problems. It depends on the WHY's! (and I am NOT saying to throw away the albuterol inhaler, the epi pen or the pepcid)

If you have an overactive sympathetic autonomic nervous system or a dysfunctional parasympathetic system, that can interfere many of your internal organs. By correcting problems in the back (muscle tension and alignment of the spine), that can take tension off of some of the ganglia (nerve tissues).

Will it fix a bleeding ulcer? No! Go to the ER
Might it help with slow transit times, chronic constipation, reflux? Yes.

Will it help a heart attack? No! Go to the ER
Might it help with palpitations caused by anxiety issues? Yes.

Will it make your neck better after a hard landing or a hard opening?
DEPENDS!!
If you SERIOUSLY injured the disc or impinged the nerve roots, do NOT get your neck popped!
If you just strained the muscle, then it might help.
But... it's hard to tell you on an internet forum, which of these situations occurred. In fact, it's impossible.

There is a lot more to manual medicine than "conventional" medicine gives credit. But it's not a snake oil that will cure everything. It should be part of health and wellness... once it's determined that it's safe and will do no harm.

[peregrinerose 0]

There's a big difference between 'being trained in manual medicine' and spending years of graduate school focusing exclusively in manual medicine.
My DO adjusted me once after a hard opening a few years ago, it was great (the fact that he is hot is an added bonus) and then he told me if my symptoms persist, go to a chiropractor and a physical therapist for evaluation. He' already seen my clean X-Rays so knew there were no skeletal issues. I love him because he knows a lot about a lot of systems of the body, but also knows when to refer for more complicated issues that he doesn't have the broader knowledge base for.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[jdthomas 0]

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To be a Chiropractor
Undergraduate is not currently a requirement, however there are requirements prior to applying
10-12 trimester program (3.3-4yr) Chriopractic Education
Elective participation in Postgraduate residency programs available in chiropractic orthopedics, chiropractic radiology and chiropractic neurology. (also found some information on residency programs in pediatrics)

While I agree the team approach is best, it is misleading to try to equate all of the educational backgrounds.

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Here is a bit more of the educational back ground of Chiropractors.
Medical Class Hours Subject Chiropractic Class Hours
508 Anatomy 520
326 Physiology 420
401 Pathology 205
325 Chemistry 300
114 Bacteriology 130
324 Diagnostic 420
112 Neurology 320
148 X-ray 217
144 Psychiatry 65
198 Obstetrics 65
156 Orthopedics 225
2,756 Total 2,756
4,248 Grand total class hours including 4,485


Joe

www.greenboxphotography.com

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Just a weird thing - but my digestion - so to speak - improves when i make regular visits

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[popsjumper 2]

When I first called my chiro "Dr. Krispy", he didn't get it and I had to explain...snap, crackle, pop.

Funny thing. He has a brother who is an MD.
They constantly "bicker" back and forth about the virtues/failings of the other.

I like my Chiro because he seems to address the problem. My MD seems to be more concerned with addressing the symptoms.

Besides that, my Chiro's wife is HOT!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[BIGUN 1,407]

The BS/BA is not a requirement for MD's, DO's, or DC's although it is preferred for consideration.
The minimum threshold is 90 hours with a high GPA in the sciences.
MDs and DO's are required to take the MCAT; whereas, the DC is not.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[kbordson 8]

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The BS/BA is not a requirement for MD's, DO's, or DC's although it is preferred for consideration.
The minimum threshold is 90 hours with a high GPA in the sciences.
MDs and DO's are required to take the MCAT; whereas, the DC is not.

Actually, you are not correct.

It is school dependant, and I have looked up several here in the Kansas City Area.


MD Schools:
KU requires

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Applicants to the School of Medicine must have earned a bachelor's degree prior to matriculation. While the degree may be earned in any discipline, the applicant is expected to take courses that demonstrate the intellectual discipline and aptitude necessary to succeed in medical school.

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UMKC does not
(as noted in my initial post, it is one of the 6yr programs)

D.O. Schools
KC-UMB does not (however it does state that "The baccalaureate degree is preferred and preference is given to those candidates who will have earned the degree prior to matriculation in the medical school program.")
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Chiropractic Schools
Cleveland Chiropractic College's does not

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What are the prerequisites?
Students are required to have 90 semester credits or the equivalent number of quarter units. Of these 90 semester units, a minimum of 48 semester units must be completed in 6 specific subject areas. In each subject area, if more than one course is taken to fulfill the requirement, the course contents must be unduplicated. A cumulative grade point average of 2.50 on a 4.00 scale is required for these 48 hours.

source

But... the reason that I even initially posted any referece was due to the fact that one posted knowledge based on some students she knew that it was "extremely intense."

Lots of fields take "extremely intense" course loads and I was just trying to better clarify as I TRULY have experience in this field. I have since been called "arrogant" in pm's for wanting to correct this but namecalling aside, there are different levels of care. I NEVER specified that anyone is "just" or "only" a anything. I have respect for ALL the healthcare providers. But you should know what you are getting and from whom. WHICH WAS MY ONLY REASON FOR CORRECTING THAT

And... if you look at my posts, I also commented on how manual medicine (whether from a chiropractor OR a DO) can be very helpful in wellness.

Now... if some of you wish to continue a pissing contest about who is smartest or better or whatever you feel that you might be proving, go for it. But I'm backing out of it.

[peregrinerose 0]

This was my entire 'name calling' PM... just to clear the air and make it obvious that I'm not a psycho name caller in PMs

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Please consider cooling off instead of firing off sarcastic PMs. I am truly sorry if you were offended, that was not the intent. I'm certain it was not your intent to come across as arrogantly as you have in the PMs. That's kind of a limitation with this format.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[jdthomas 0]

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The BS/BA is not a requirement for MD's, DO's, or DC's although it is preferred for consideration.
The minimum threshold is 90 hours with a high GPA in the sciences.
MDs and DO's are required to take the MCAT; whereas, the DC is not.

Actually, you are not correct.

It is school dependant, and I have looked up several here in the Kansas City Area.


So he is actually somewhat correct then if it is school dependant. some schools require it others don't. is that right?




Now... if some of you wish to continue a pissing contest about who is smartest or better or whatever you feel that you might be proving, go for it. But I'm backing out of it.

No pissing contest from me, I am just a small time ems provider, my knowledge base is very limited.
But I want to give credit to Chriopractors where it is due as they do go through extensive training and education process and are often just called bone crakers, poppers or witch doctors.
I am not going to get into a pissing match about this either but it is a well known fatc that the american medical society did what they could for years upon years to opress Chriopractic health care and some of that is justifiable in that some Chriopractors like my cousins husband is a nut job and needs to stop preaching his doctrine that he can cure just about any disease with spinal manipualtion but the infomation is there now and some times MD's, DO's just don't want to let it go.
Dr B has stated that she is pro chriopratic and I beleive her whole heartedly and she was just presenting info and I don't think she did so in an arrogant manner.
Joe

www.greenboxphotography.com

[peregrinerose 0]

Hi Joe, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear... it was the PMs that were fired off at me as a result of this thread that I was addressing in my quoted response above, not the text that was on here. My apology was for offending her on here in the public forum.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[BIGUN 1,407]

You are right... It is school dependent.
But, ya kinda made it sound like an undergraduate degree was mandatory in all cases for all schools.
Whew, now that you're all wound up, who gets to ride it?

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.