wolfriverjoe 1,523
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Call it what ya want.
The reason Im not gonna drink today is because if I do, all bets are off, and the choice is no longer mine. Period.
Its not a question in my mind and let me tell you, THAT is a huge relief.
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The Dude Abides.
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The Dude Abides.
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It alters your brain in such a way that simply quitting isn't a realistic option.
What a load of shit.
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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
piahenzi 0
You know, before I married an alcoholic, I would have said the same thing... and I did for years - watching the drinking and sayin "just stop! that's all i it takes to fix things", but now I know better. Andy, wiht all due respect, you might want to soften your tone a little here.
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Jewels 0
Hey, Andy, please don't knock it like that. I had an alcoholic cousin who struggled with it for years. The alcohol changed her, and even when she was sober, she wasn't herself anymore. The alcohol was more a part of her than she was some days. Alcoholism is more than just refusing to turn down a drink. It's much more pervasive than that. My cousin's family took her off of life support on July 4th. She couldn't control the alcohol and it ended up taking her life.
TPM Sister #102
steve1 5
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I don't think many people truly understand what it is like to be in the grips of addiction. I'm not sure I know either, because I've never been there.
I have seen my brother suffer and die from alcoholism. If he could have pulled himself up by his boot straps, and beat alcoholism, he would have. Some people don't have the will left to do that. They may not have boot straps to pull themselves up with. Admitting you are powerless may be a big step toward getting help, because you can't do it alone....
Bolas 5
There's a difference between "I need help" an "I'm powerless." Powerless is "do it for me" vs. "help me."
Fo the people who were addicts to something, beat it, and don't do it anymore, you are not powerless. Knowing, recognizing, and compromising for your weaknesses and faults is what gives you power.
Fo the people who were addicts to something, beat it, and don't do it anymore, you are not powerless. Knowing, recognizing, and compromising for your weaknesses and faults is what gives you power.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
Jewels 0
Bolas, with all due respect, I don't think I can completely agree with you. I understand what you're saying about "don't do it anymore," but that's the problem with the addiction--it's just not that cut and dry. My cousin tried over a period of decades to "beat it and don't do it anymore," and she couldn't. Believe me, she was one strong-willed lady. It wasn't a lack of commitment or effort on her part. She would clean things up and the world would improve for a time, and then it would fall apart again. It was a pattern that she repeated over and over. Did I resent her for it? Yes, sometimes. But I also understood that it wasn't just a matter of deciding to change things. Sometimes it really does require something more.
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wmw999 2,534
Does it really matter what tools people use to help themselves? What is the need that some folks have to call others inadequate because of how they choose to address problems. It's like calling the guy with the bad leg weak because he uses crutches, when with only 8 hours a day with a personal trainer he'd be able to walk without it.
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
wolfriverjoe 1,523
There's a difference between "I need help" an "I'm powerless." Powerless is "do it for me" vs. "help me."
Fo the people who were addicts to something, beat it, and don't do it anymore, you are not powerless. Knowing, recognizing, and compromising for your weaknesses and faults is what gives you power.
No, powerless isn't "do it for me" as much as it is "I am not in control". It is the powerlessness to stop once they have started.
And most alcoholics in recovery will freely admit not having power over alcohol. They have simply found a way not to take that first drink.
And anyone who walks into AA is told early on that this is something they have to do for themselves. The others can offer help, support and advice, but nobody can do it for them.
"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
Squeak 17
There's a difference between "I need help" an "I'm powerless." Powerless is "do it for me" vs. "help me."
Fo the people who were addicts to something, beat it, and don't do it anymore, you are not powerless. Knowing, recognizing, and compromising for your weaknesses and faults is what gives you power.
Spoken from a point of ignorance and completely out of context. Before you start on telling people what there addiction means to them try reading up a bit more on the contexts of the words used.
The phrase is POWERLESS OVER OUR ADDICTION.
Unless you have an addiction it's very unlikely that you can fathom the concept of this sort of powerlessness.
Trust me when i say i am a strong man in many many avenues of my life but I am powerless when it comes to drugs and booze.
One has always been to many and a thousand never enough for me.
You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
Squeak 17
not so ironic, there are quite a few recovering skydivers on these forums, they just dont make as much noise as the idiot drunks do.and you turn to a SKYDIVING-forum, about an ALCOHOLproblem!? oh, the irony..
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You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
Squeak 17
It's God based and that's what makes it work for so many.
As far as some accepting another "higher power" - no one that has been in our circle of recovered/ing for 10+ years has any other than God. AA, done "by the book", works as written in the strictest interpretation - this only from my perspective and experience but it's been a while now...
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AA/NA are NOT God based, some member try to make it so but neither organisation is God based. I'm an atheist and do not have any god concept and i have been clean and sober since August 10th 2000. I also have quite a few clean and sober friends who do not believe in god.
You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?
Why do you say that? Five words is the best you can offer?
I'd really be interested in hearing your reasoning for saying something so simple minded.
The phrase is POWERLESS OVER OUR ADDICTION.
Unless you have an addiction it's very unlikely that you can fathom the concept of this sort of powerlessness.
One has always been to many and a thousand never enough for me.
That pretty much sums it up, Squeak
AA is fer quitters.
Its a good day to LIVE, why puck up a good thing.
There is no reply in aad section for. " hell no i would not put an AAD on my back"
There is no reply in aad section for. " hell no i would not put an AAD on my back"
The powerlessness is real. A real alcoholic (and that definition is a whole other discussion) has no control once they start drinking. Once they have reached that point, taking that first drink is like pulling the handle on a slot machine. It might be good, but the odds are against it.
The best intentions in the world won't matter. Committments, responsibilities, penalties, from family, job, the legal system or anywhere else won't matter.
Once the drinking stars, the odds are it won't stop.
This doesn't mean that someone who goes out intending to get good and ripped and have a good time is an alcoholic. Or even someone who planned on having one or two and ended up staying longer than planned is one.
This is about the person who time and time again says "only one or two" and doesn't stop. The person who swears to themself that it will only be one or two, and wakes up the next morning not understanding how it happened.
If you haven't seen it or been there, it's hard to understand. But it's very real.
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
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