tkhayes 348 #51 January 21, 2009 As a DZO, no one likes to have assholes around, but there are plenty of them. 'business' says to try to handle all your customers and keep them happy most of the time. On a personal level, when someone becomes too much of an asshole, then it is not worth it to try and keep them around. One customer versus 20 of them. And 5% of the people often occupy 80% of your time. Cut your losses. But I also 'occasionally' object to people coming to me with these personal issues. "So-and-so got drunk and got into a fight with so-and-so". Then CALL THE POLICE! That's what they are for. When crimes are committed, the DZO can only do so much. We have agencies in place to deal with child neglect, alcoholism, drug abuse, crime, theft, etc. The DZO can only do so much, and should be expected to only do so much. It is much easier for a DZO to ban someone from the dropzone AFTER they have been charged, arrested, whatever. Then when people complain and say "Why did you kick so-and-so off the dropzone? He/She is my buddy..." then you have good reason to. They got their ass arrested and apparently have done some crime so you don't want them around. I realize that it is a community and I get involved almost daily with people's personal issues (and I will continue to do so), but the line has to be drawn somewhere where it is no longer my problem. If you got into a fight at Wal-Mart in the parking lot, and some guy beat the crap out of you, you would not go to the Wal-Mart manager to complain. You would go to the police. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #52 January 21, 2009 Yeah, this really isn't a DZ issue, Steve; it's a drunk/abusive friend issue. The DZ is just the unfortunate venue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #53 January 21, 2009 Cut away. Don't take any lame apology. You might wait till he is sober and sucker punch him once so he rememebers you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #54 January 21, 2009 Quote Quote Maybe you should quit hanging out with people who get drunk. hum it with me "....don't drink, don't cuss, what do you do...?" Take up bowling? For you aren't hanging out with skydivers anymore, that much is certain."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el6uapo 0 #55 January 21, 2009 Quote Hypothetically- You have a person at the dropzone that has been threatening other jumpers the last few months, and finally acted on his threats by attacking a fellow jumper. The attack takes place off the dz(while the victim was driving the attacker's drunk ass home from the dz), and was unprovoked. What should be done? Hire a lawyer to understand rights. Stay away from this person at any cost. He is more of a DANGER than you realize! Just as bad as a rig that produces a total mal every hundred jumps or so, in my opinion . Somebody that punches me in my face for getting him safely home is not a friend, he is a criminal. His actions are prosecutable and could easily land him in jail for an extended stay. I don't give a shit what his problems are. Everybody has problems. This doesn't give them the right to threaten and assault people. Good luck to the "fellow jumper" and best wishes for a fast recovery. (edited for clarity) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #56 January 21, 2009 Quotehum it with me "....don't drink, don't cuss, what do you do...?" *** I drink and cuss. I just pay attention to when and where, and I quit drinking to get drunk years ago. If getting drunk is what makes you happy, go for it. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites doug925 0 #57 January 21, 2009 I never drink to get drunk! (sometimes I might happen to end up that way though) I drink wine for the flavors, and aromas. I drink scotch to get a good buzz! :D Totally different.I have never developed indigestion from eating my words. Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #58 January 21, 2009 QuoteI never drink to get drunk! ..... I drink scotch to get a good buzz! :D Just for the fun of nitpicking: that is drinking to get drunk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #59 January 21, 2009 I agree with TK here. This is not a DZ issue as the attack was off DZ property. I would not be shy about sharing the story with the jumpers at the DZ, however. A unified front in terms of zero tolerence to violance among the fun jumpers can go a long way toward cooling a guy off. It really takes the steam out of a guy if nobody will talk to him, or jump with him. He'll either settle down, or stop coming to the DZ. Either way, problem solved. One exception here would be if this was a DZ staffer. Maybe the janitor could slide by, but anyone involved with students/tandems/packing/aircraft needs to be mature enough to control their anger. Failure to do could put people at risk. If that was the case, I would certainly report this to the DZO, and fully expect them to take some sort of action. Of course, if the DZO doesn't, revert to plan A, and spread the word around the fun jumpers that 'Biff' is a dickhead, and to treat him as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #60 January 21, 2009 QuoteTake up bowling? For you aren't hanging out with skydivers anymore, that much is certain. *** If you define a skydiver as an obnoxious drunk, then no, I don't hang out with skydivers. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #61 January 21, 2009 Convene a DZ court. Don't you guys have a jurist and lawyers? We do... Plus we also have the sheriff of bagland as well as the executionors corrections officials. Most people would wish they had never fucked up in the first place. Strange how SDC really doesn't have these kind of troubles. (usually) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #62 January 21, 2009 Most of us stopped drinking just to get just years ago too.... We grew up .... unfortunately others didn't follow the same path. It would be great to say that it's their problem but when it spills over and affects other people, that is no longer the caseShould we call the police out on a drunken/violent mate - Well, in an ideal world, that person is no longer a mate, so is fair game!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #63 January 21, 2009 Gettin' a bit grumpy in yer old age huh?! Next you'll be yellin' "GET OFF MY LAWN!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #64 January 21, 2009 whooops sorry I meant. 'gonna get me a whole bunch of cats now, too (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #65 January 21, 2009 Quote Maybe you should quit hanging out with people who get drunk. What, no more going to parties at the DZ.Seriously, violent behavior like that has no place at a DZ. Our system, our sport operates on trust too much to allow for an abusive personality like that. I've never seen a fist fight at the DZ, although I've seen a couple of close calls. I think that jumper needs a good banning from as many DZ's as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #66 January 21, 2009 Quote Quote Hypothetically, here's what went down:Saturday, in the office at the DZ, Irish was trying to teach Casey...I chimed in from across the room... -Whoever the I is had no damn business chiming in anything while somebody is trying to teach. Bullshit. There are proper and improper ways to do it, but NOT chiming in when something is being taught incorrectly would be the worst option. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites buff 0 #67 January 21, 2009 Strip the drunk down & duct tape his ass to a tree. Take pictures. Post on pics on the Billy Vance thread here on DZ.com. Everyone will then be aware of the problem and either embarrassment or jumpers not jumping with him should solve the problem.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #68 January 21, 2009 QuoteAs a DZO, ...(snip) , but the line has to be drawn somewhere where it is no longer my problem. I think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. One of your instructors (I realize not really one of yours TK) interjected when a non-coach was coaching and omitted a safety related component of the skill. This lead to the assault. The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. Are you still sure this is none of your business. Do you want your instructors to take a 'not my job' attitude to safety concerns on the DZ due to intimidation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #69 January 21, 2009 not at all, but if someone decks someone over it, then I fire their ass and/or call the cops - that is what I mean by drawing the line. If I fire them, it is my problem. If I call the cops, it is NOT my problem. Either way, I dealt with it appropriately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #70 January 21, 2009 QuoteCut away. Don't take any lame apology. You might wait till he is sober and sucker punch him once so he rememebers you. and for fucks sake learn to defend yourself.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #71 January 21, 2009 That's too easy, then they cannot play the poor "victim". I am not saying that is what happened (don't know and don't care) but there are folks who provoke as if there can be no possible repercussions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #72 January 21, 2009 The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. *** this guy is just a prick, pure and simple, but apparently he has to get drunk to get the balls to hit someone who didnt expect it - what a pussy I have personally stuck my finger in one persons chest telling him loudly in front of everyone to never try to teach my students anything as he didnt know shit - yeah I embarrassed him, that was my intent as I had caught him teaching others before and my polite warnings to back off were ignored. The "I" didnt do anything wrong with correcting this idiot other than he should have gone to the s&ta or dzo and let them know that someone was teaching who shouldnt be... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #73 January 21, 2009 QuoteI think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. Agreed (now that I realize that that's what occurred). It does make it more than "just the venue". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefal 0 #74 January 21, 2009 Steve, I don't know you that well, but from what I've seen, you're too nice of a guy to hang around with such a dipshit. If you're nice enough to drive this guy home when he's drunk, and he repays you by trying to beat you up, then I would simply ignore him. If he asks you why he's getting the cold shoulder just remind him of how much of an asshole he is and if he values you as a friend then he'll make the effort to mend things up. If not, then good riddance. I’ve always believed it’s best to “praise in public and criticize in private” so there’s no real need to bash this guy in front of everyone else on the DZ. It sounds like he’s doing a fine job of that himself and the Midwest skydiving community is still small enough that most people will find out sooner or later that he’s an idiot. Oh, and the only thing worse than a Black Irish Jew of royal European descent is a left-handed Indian Weight Watcher midget with a speech impediment! "Ignorance is bliss" and "Patience is a virtue"... So if you're stupid and don't mind waiting around for a while, I guess you can have a pretty good life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jayboulder1 0 #75 January 21, 2009 wow buddy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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doug925 0 #57 January 21, 2009 I never drink to get drunk! (sometimes I might happen to end up that way though) I drink wine for the flavors, and aromas. I drink scotch to get a good buzz! :D Totally different.I have never developed indigestion from eating my words. Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #58 January 21, 2009 QuoteI never drink to get drunk! ..... I drink scotch to get a good buzz! :D Just for the fun of nitpicking: that is drinking to get drunk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #59 January 21, 2009 I agree with TK here. This is not a DZ issue as the attack was off DZ property. I would not be shy about sharing the story with the jumpers at the DZ, however. A unified front in terms of zero tolerence to violance among the fun jumpers can go a long way toward cooling a guy off. It really takes the steam out of a guy if nobody will talk to him, or jump with him. He'll either settle down, or stop coming to the DZ. Either way, problem solved. One exception here would be if this was a DZ staffer. Maybe the janitor could slide by, but anyone involved with students/tandems/packing/aircraft needs to be mature enough to control their anger. Failure to do could put people at risk. If that was the case, I would certainly report this to the DZO, and fully expect them to take some sort of action. Of course, if the DZO doesn't, revert to plan A, and spread the word around the fun jumpers that 'Biff' is a dickhead, and to treat him as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #60 January 21, 2009 QuoteTake up bowling? For you aren't hanging out with skydivers anymore, that much is certain. *** If you define a skydiver as an obnoxious drunk, then no, I don't hang out with skydivers. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #61 January 21, 2009 Convene a DZ court. Don't you guys have a jurist and lawyers? We do... Plus we also have the sheriff of bagland as well as the executionors corrections officials. Most people would wish they had never fucked up in the first place. Strange how SDC really doesn't have these kind of troubles. (usually) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #62 January 21, 2009 Most of us stopped drinking just to get just years ago too.... We grew up .... unfortunately others didn't follow the same path. It would be great to say that it's their problem but when it spills over and affects other people, that is no longer the caseShould we call the police out on a drunken/violent mate - Well, in an ideal world, that person is no longer a mate, so is fair game!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #63 January 21, 2009 Gettin' a bit grumpy in yer old age huh?! Next you'll be yellin' "GET OFF MY LAWN!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #64 January 21, 2009 whooops sorry I meant. 'gonna get me a whole bunch of cats now, too (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #65 January 21, 2009 Quote Maybe you should quit hanging out with people who get drunk. What, no more going to parties at the DZ.Seriously, violent behavior like that has no place at a DZ. Our system, our sport operates on trust too much to allow for an abusive personality like that. I've never seen a fist fight at the DZ, although I've seen a couple of close calls. I think that jumper needs a good banning from as many DZ's as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #66 January 21, 2009 Quote Quote Hypothetically, here's what went down:Saturday, in the office at the DZ, Irish was trying to teach Casey...I chimed in from across the room... -Whoever the I is had no damn business chiming in anything while somebody is trying to teach. Bullshit. There are proper and improper ways to do it, but NOT chiming in when something is being taught incorrectly would be the worst option. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites buff 0 #67 January 21, 2009 Strip the drunk down & duct tape his ass to a tree. Take pictures. Post on pics on the Billy Vance thread here on DZ.com. Everyone will then be aware of the problem and either embarrassment or jumpers not jumping with him should solve the problem.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #68 January 21, 2009 QuoteAs a DZO, ...(snip) , but the line has to be drawn somewhere where it is no longer my problem. I think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. One of your instructors (I realize not really one of yours TK) interjected when a non-coach was coaching and omitted a safety related component of the skill. This lead to the assault. The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. Are you still sure this is none of your business. Do you want your instructors to take a 'not my job' attitude to safety concerns on the DZ due to intimidation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #69 January 21, 2009 not at all, but if someone decks someone over it, then I fire their ass and/or call the cops - that is what I mean by drawing the line. If I fire them, it is my problem. If I call the cops, it is NOT my problem. Either way, I dealt with it appropriately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #70 January 21, 2009 QuoteCut away. Don't take any lame apology. You might wait till he is sober and sucker punch him once so he rememebers you. and for fucks sake learn to defend yourself.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #71 January 21, 2009 That's too easy, then they cannot play the poor "victim". I am not saying that is what happened (don't know and don't care) but there are folks who provoke as if there can be no possible repercussions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #72 January 21, 2009 The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. *** this guy is just a prick, pure and simple, but apparently he has to get drunk to get the balls to hit someone who didnt expect it - what a pussy I have personally stuck my finger in one persons chest telling him loudly in front of everyone to never try to teach my students anything as he didnt know shit - yeah I embarrassed him, that was my intent as I had caught him teaching others before and my polite warnings to back off were ignored. The "I" didnt do anything wrong with correcting this idiot other than he should have gone to the s&ta or dzo and let them know that someone was teaching who shouldnt be... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #73 January 21, 2009 QuoteI think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. Agreed (now that I realize that that's what occurred). It does make it more than "just the venue". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefal 0 #74 January 21, 2009 Steve, I don't know you that well, but from what I've seen, you're too nice of a guy to hang around with such a dipshit. If you're nice enough to drive this guy home when he's drunk, and he repays you by trying to beat you up, then I would simply ignore him. If he asks you why he's getting the cold shoulder just remind him of how much of an asshole he is and if he values you as a friend then he'll make the effort to mend things up. If not, then good riddance. I’ve always believed it’s best to “praise in public and criticize in private” so there’s no real need to bash this guy in front of everyone else on the DZ. It sounds like he’s doing a fine job of that himself and the Midwest skydiving community is still small enough that most people will find out sooner or later that he’s an idiot. Oh, and the only thing worse than a Black Irish Jew of royal European descent is a left-handed Indian Weight Watcher midget with a speech impediment! "Ignorance is bliss" and "Patience is a virtue"... So if you're stupid and don't mind waiting around for a while, I guess you can have a pretty good life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jayboulder1 0 #75 January 21, 2009 wow buddy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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warpedskydiver 0 #61 January 21, 2009 Convene a DZ court. Don't you guys have a jurist and lawyers? We do... Plus we also have the sheriff of bagland as well as the executionors corrections officials. Most people would wish they had never fucked up in the first place. Strange how SDC really doesn't have these kind of troubles. (usually) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #62 January 21, 2009 Most of us stopped drinking just to get just years ago too.... We grew up .... unfortunately others didn't follow the same path. It would be great to say that it's their problem but when it spills over and affects other people, that is no longer the caseShould we call the police out on a drunken/violent mate - Well, in an ideal world, that person is no longer a mate, so is fair game!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #63 January 21, 2009 Gettin' a bit grumpy in yer old age huh?! Next you'll be yellin' "GET OFF MY LAWN!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #64 January 21, 2009 whooops sorry I meant. 'gonna get me a whole bunch of cats now, too (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #65 January 21, 2009 Quote Maybe you should quit hanging out with people who get drunk. What, no more going to parties at the DZ.Seriously, violent behavior like that has no place at a DZ. Our system, our sport operates on trust too much to allow for an abusive personality like that. I've never seen a fist fight at the DZ, although I've seen a couple of close calls. I think that jumper needs a good banning from as many DZ's as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #66 January 21, 2009 Quote Quote Hypothetically, here's what went down:Saturday, in the office at the DZ, Irish was trying to teach Casey...I chimed in from across the room... -Whoever the I is had no damn business chiming in anything while somebody is trying to teach. Bullshit. There are proper and improper ways to do it, but NOT chiming in when something is being taught incorrectly would be the worst option. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #67 January 21, 2009 Strip the drunk down & duct tape his ass to a tree. Take pictures. Post on pics on the Billy Vance thread here on DZ.com. Everyone will then be aware of the problem and either embarrassment or jumpers not jumping with him should solve the problem.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #68 January 21, 2009 QuoteAs a DZO, ...(snip) , but the line has to be drawn somewhere where it is no longer my problem. I think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. One of your instructors (I realize not really one of yours TK) interjected when a non-coach was coaching and omitted a safety related component of the skill. This lead to the assault. The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. Are you still sure this is none of your business. Do you want your instructors to take a 'not my job' attitude to safety concerns on the DZ due to intimidation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #69 January 21, 2009 not at all, but if someone decks someone over it, then I fire their ass and/or call the cops - that is what I mean by drawing the line. If I fire them, it is my problem. If I call the cops, it is NOT my problem. Either way, I dealt with it appropriately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #70 January 21, 2009 QuoteCut away. Don't take any lame apology. You might wait till he is sober and sucker punch him once so he rememebers you. and for fucks sake learn to defend yourself.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #71 January 21, 2009 That's too easy, then they cannot play the poor "victim". I am not saying that is what happened (don't know and don't care) but there are folks who provoke as if there can be no possible repercussions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #72 January 21, 2009 The staff member's piss poor technique (chiming in from across the room) didn't help, and the fact that the novice was a woman may have been an aggravating factor. *** this guy is just a prick, pure and simple, but apparently he has to get drunk to get the balls to hit someone who didnt expect it - what a pussy I have personally stuck my finger in one persons chest telling him loudly in front of everyone to never try to teach my students anything as he didnt know shit - yeah I embarrassed him, that was my intent as I had caught him teaching others before and my polite warnings to back off were ignored. The "I" didnt do anything wrong with correcting this idiot other than he should have gone to the s&ta or dzo and let them know that someone was teaching who shouldnt be... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #73 January 21, 2009 QuoteI think the fact that the fight is related to an instructional scenario on the DZ adds complexity to that decision. Agreed (now that I realize that that's what occurred). It does make it more than "just the venue". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefal 0 #74 January 21, 2009 Steve, I don't know you that well, but from what I've seen, you're too nice of a guy to hang around with such a dipshit. If you're nice enough to drive this guy home when he's drunk, and he repays you by trying to beat you up, then I would simply ignore him. If he asks you why he's getting the cold shoulder just remind him of how much of an asshole he is and if he values you as a friend then he'll make the effort to mend things up. If not, then good riddance. I’ve always believed it’s best to “praise in public and criticize in private” so there’s no real need to bash this guy in front of everyone else on the DZ. It sounds like he’s doing a fine job of that himself and the Midwest skydiving community is still small enough that most people will find out sooner or later that he’s an idiot. Oh, and the only thing worse than a Black Irish Jew of royal European descent is a left-handed Indian Weight Watcher midget with a speech impediment! "Ignorance is bliss" and "Patience is a virtue"... So if you're stupid and don't mind waiting around for a while, I guess you can have a pretty good life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
