RMURRAY 1 #26 October 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm actually kinda surprised how many people said no I'm surprised how many people said yes. my situation is the very same as MIAMI. red cable so I voted no. I clean it at repack time (180 days) I have stated this many times - almost no one I know cleans and lubs their yellow cable. even the ones who do probably do not use the recommended food grade silicone. If the have a highly loaded ellipical this really is not a good idea. where can I get the food grade silicone (in Canada). I am thinking maybe riggerrob knows... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #27 October 13, 2005 Also, I belive that the hard housings often come from the factory with some oil residue inside, which would pick up dust & dirt from the air. And yes, I clean my cutaway cables approximately every thirty days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 October 13, 2005 Quotewhere can I get the food grade silicone (in Canada). I am thinking maybe riggerrob knows... He probably does, but to the best of my knowledge, all "food grade silicone" means is that it doesn't contain hydrocarbons. If you go to your local hardware store & ask, they almost certainly have a silicone lubricant sans hydrocarbons... mine did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #29 October 13, 2005 Quotethey almost certainly have a silicone lubricant sans hydrocarbons To help prevent frustration for others, this means without oil.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #30 October 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteDo you think I should? Bill Booth, inventor of the 3-ring and owner of RWS thinks you should. It is well known that dirty cutaway cables contribute to hard cutaways and risers that have taken a 'set' are slower to release (think bag lock). When you're talking about risers taknig a 'set', do you mean user's should be flexing their 3 ring webbing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #31 October 13, 2005 QuoteWhen you're talking about risers taknig a 'set', do you mean user's should be flexing their 3 ring webbing? Yes. Even though Bill Booth has said it isn't really necessary, I do notice a difference when the risers haven't been flex in a while in how they release. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selbbub78 0 #32 October 14, 2005 I do, well I haven't since July 3rd, due to my injury, and my rig isn't in my possession right now, but I've had a few riggers in the beginning tell me how dirty my cutaway handles were, and I make sure they're clean now. CReW Skies,"Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 October 14, 2005 Yes. I have lots of dreams about skydiving, and most of them are good, but the thought of having a hard cutaway or one of my risers not releasing gives me the willies - Bad Dreamsville. Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #34 October 14, 2005 Seriously, what do you mean by cleaning the cables? You doon't pull the cutaway handle do you? Wouldn't you have to reroute the cable back through the reserve compartment for this? This doesn't sound like something everyone should know how to do. My cables get "flexed" all the time - especially since I constantly monitor my short cable (see past threads) to keep peace of mind. I also changed risers (myself) after buying my rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #35 October 14, 2005 Quote Seriously, what do you mean by cleaning the cables? Cleaning the cables with silicone. QuoteYou doon't pull the cutaway handle do you? Yes, to expose the cables so that you can clean them. QuoteWouldn't you have to reroute the cable back through the reserve compartment for this? Yes, not a big for almost all containers. I see you have a Talon. Some Talon have soft housings (my first rig did). This is bad and should be replaced, RI sells a kit for this. Soft housings contribute to hard cutaways, especially if the cables are dirty. Some Talons have a hybrid, hard and soft housings. These are better, but should still be upgraded to full hard housings. Hybrid housings and dirty cables are a recipe for a hard cutaway. Lastly is is full hard housings, the current industry standard. With full hard housings, it is very easy to put the cables back in their housings. QuoteMy cables get "flexed" all the time - especially since I constantly monitor my short cable (see past threads) to keep peace of mind. Flexing the cables isn't an issue, flexing the 3-rings is. QuoteI also changed risers (myself) after buying my rig. Good, the more you know, the better. It is a good idea to have a rigger double check that sort of thing until you are confident and have done it a few times. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #36 October 14, 2005 All the other stuff you said, thanks. Yes, I have a Talon, with soft housings, but my rigger will make it a hybrid to get more length to reroute through the reserve area at next repack for peace of mind for me. Quote Good, the more you know, the better. It is a good idea to have a rigger double check that sort of thing until you are confident and have done it a few times. Derek Yeah, so I can avoid crossing my front/back risers like when I did it. It flew fine and was fixed before the next jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #37 October 14, 2005 QuoteYes, I have a Talon, with soft housings, but my rigger will make it a hybrid to get more length to reroute through the reserve area at next repack for peace of mind for me. In my opinion, your rigger should have advised you to get them changed to full hard housings immediately. Perhaps some others will not agree, but if you want 'peace of mind', you should not wait.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #38 October 14, 2005 He did...but said that it would be better than what it currently is anyways (with a short cable). Lecture me further all you want. You haven't seen the rig and I've been over this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #39 October 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteDo you think I should? Bill Booth, inventor of the 3-ring and owner of RWS thinks you should. It is well known that dirty cutaway cables contribute to hard cutaways and risers that have taken a 'set' are slower to release (think bag lock). Derek Bill Booth also thinks that once you cutaway, skyhook will do the rest If dirty cables could cause a hard cutaway, it could also cause a hard reserve pull. I know you can check free movement of a reserve cable a little easier that the cutaway cables, but it is still possible that something has got in there to cause a hard pull. Or do I see that wrong? If you need to clean your cutaway cables, then why not the reserve cable? Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #40 October 14, 2005 Quote>So what has cleaning cutaway cables got to do with the 3-ring system? Are you serious? (I can never tell in these forums.) Semantics I suppose. If you call the cutaway system a 3-ring system then there is no difference. The 3-rings are just that that, 3 rings , with cutaway cables you can put together a cutaway system. I did not invent it, so I suppose I should really include the cutaway cable within the "3-ring system". A far as cleaning the cables every 30 days, it amazing how often you see canopies that have been hooked up wrong, even cutaways because they were hooked up backwards Lots of people should ask their rigger to clean them. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 October 14, 2005 Reserve cables are checked/cleaned if necessary by your friendly neighborhood rigger every 120 days. The reserve cable is also not as exposed to dirt/grunge (exept at the cable entry off of the reserve handle) as the risers are, since the reserve is behind the reserve flap.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattias 0 #42 October 14, 2005 I said no to this. We have a relative dust free environment were I jump so I wouldn't think this is something for me to worry about. However I clean and lube all cables during the repack cycles that I do. If any of my friends have been to the US, in some dusty drop zone ala Arizona I would recomend them to clean (well, dust it anyway) their entire rig... I'm just worried that quite a lot of skydivers around here do not know how to cut the main in order to do this kind of stuff them selves, wiggling three rings and cleaning cutaway cables that is, well they can but putting stuff back together again..._______________________________________ What goes up, must come down... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #43 October 14, 2005 QuoteI said no to this. We have a relative dust free environment were I jump so I wouldn't think this is something for me to worry about. However I clean and lube all cables during the repack cycles that I do. If any of my friends have been to the US, in some dusty drop zone ala Arizona I would recomend them to clean (well, dust it anyway) their entire rig... I'm just worried that quite a lot of skydivers around here do not know how to cut the main in order to do this kind of stuff them selves, wiggling three rings and cleaning cutaway cables that is, well they can but putting stuff back together again... yes, more and more people don't "know" the gear they are jumping. this is the root cause of the problem - along with a relaxed attitude toward gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #44 October 14, 2005 QuoteNo. It's Racer, baby! Plus I don't have the proper kind of silicone, and I am wary to buy any substitute they sell over here. Yepper! Me too! Red Racer cables, wipe'em down when I repack it (um.... right.... every 120 days (or so))Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #45 October 14, 2005 No. It works out to every 60 days as I have 2 rigs and do one a month. After 18 cutaways with no hard pulls, I feel 30 days is excessive for me. I don't fall over when I land, I replace risers every year, my gear is packed on carpet and is stored in a gear bag. Good enough for me. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #46 October 14, 2005 I said no and it's because I'm lazy I Clean 'em every repack cycle but I don't lube 'em. Just wipe 'em down. I'll pull 'em out a couple weeks later to see if they've collected significant dirt as this would be an indication that the hard-housing itself might need a rubdown but so far I have never had a problem. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #47 October 14, 2005 I clean and lube mine every 30 days, give or take a few, followed by a full line check. Gives me a chance to peel and pull the cutaway pad (actual practice instead of going through the motions) and flex the webbing. But then, i'm the type of guy who goes through the cutaway drill wherever i have a minute to spare and religously check my pins and handles. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #48 October 14, 2005 QuoteIf dirty cables could cause a hard cutaway, it could also cause a hard reserve pull. I know you can check free movement of a reserve cable a little easier that the cutaway cables, but it is still possible that something has got in there to cause a hard pull. Or do I see that wrong? I think because the reserve cable is steel and not lolon, it isn't affected by being dirty nearly as much. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #49 October 14, 2005 QuoteYes, I have a Talon, with soft housings, but my rigger will make it a hybrid to get more length to reroute through the reserve area at next repack for peace of mind for me. The kit RI sells will take the soft housings to full housings. I don't think they sell a kit to go from soft to hybrid. As long as you are getting it fixed, might as well get the best. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #50 October 14, 2005 QuoteI'm just worried that quite a lot of skydivers around here do not know how to cut the main in order to do this kind of stuff them selves, wiggling three rings and cleaning cutaway cables that is, well they can but putting stuff back together again... This is pretty fucked up, considering that checking for proper 3 ring assembly is part of a routine gear check. If you are a skydiver, you should damn well know how to put together the 3 rings, how else you gonna know if they are fucked up? To someone who said canopies getting hooked up backwards or whatever, I clean my cutaway cables with the main still in the container, makes it pretty impossible to screw up the way you hook the main back up if you have half a brian cell.. This is not rocket science people. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
