Andrewwhyte 1 #51 November 29, 2008 Quote Well, there are definately two sides to every story..... however, THESE victims were 8, you asshole. . Buh bye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOSTandCRAZY 0 #52 November 29, 2008 Agreed. Hang him."Get these balls!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #53 November 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe dectectives told us that there is a new law in florida..which is less than a year old...that even traveling..no matter the distance...to meet a minor for anykind of sex act is illegal weather the act was commited or not. That is an amazingly bad law. Thought crimes are now illegal. But you know, think of the children, right? There is a difference between thinking of committing a crime and taking action in order to commit one. This is not a crime of thought, it is a crime of Mens Rea, of intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOSTandCRAZY 0 #54 November 29, 2008 Quote There is a difference between thinking of committing a crime and taking action in order to commit one. This is not a crime of thought, it is a crime of Mens Rea, of intent. That dude molested TWO, (not one, TWO, and he didn't simply THINK of it, he actually DID it) 8 year olds. Would I shoot him? The answer? OH HELL YEAH. And I bet that he planned it, intended to do it, and DID it."Get these balls!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #55 November 29, 2008 (sigh) We were discussing the law not the perpetrator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMiller 1 #56 November 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe dectectives told us that there is a new law in florida..which is less than a year old...that even traveling..no matter the distance...to meet a minor for anykind of sex act is illegal weather the act was commited or not. That is an amazingly bad law. Thought crimes are now illegal. But you know, think of the children, right? There is a difference between thinking of committing a crime and taking action in order to commit one. This is not a crime of thought, it is a crime of Mens Rea, of intent. The difference is, that in the original poster's scenario, there was zero chance of a child being harmed, since the child was made up. Of course if it's real that's one thing, but using that law to convict a man when there's no kid doesn't seem just to me. How can there be intent when the crime cannot be committed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #57 November 29, 2008 HEY!!!!!! don't call my friend CMiller names!!!!....( YOUR post,,, post # 50, of this thread ) ( see forum rules against personal attacks ) i'm not kiddin'first of all HE was talking about the scenario of the Fabricated Liaison.... which the O P mentioned.. and YOU are talking about the later introduced case of a specific person, who has apparently left the country,, to flee what appears to be, a True charge,, ( or charges) for crimes against innocent young victims....( which I AGREE, is reprehensible ) .. ( both the behavior and the attempt to avoid prosecution ) It HELPS a great deal to read ALL the posts in a thread,, and not just scan some and ignore others... chill a bit. L & C jimmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #58 November 29, 2008 QuoteHe and his circle of friends that helped him escape to South Africa need to be held accountable. You hear that Deland South African faction... you aided and abetted a felon fugitive. Congratulations. Here's another gold medal. Now hang them all around your necks and go jump off a bridge. No shit. Please do tell more."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #59 November 29, 2008 Quote The difference is, that in the original poster's scenario, there was zero chance of a child being harmed, since the child was made up. Of course if it's real that's one thing, but using that law to convict a man when there's no kid doesn't seem just to me. How can there be intent when the crime cannot be committed? Again the concept of Mens Rea comes up, the guilty mind. The perp was guilty in his mind. He has demonstrated not only his willingness, but his intent to harm others. He is clearly in need of the state's correctional action. For the protection of society if for no other reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #60 November 29, 2008 Both of you are closely circling the bullseye, but neither of you has hit it. I'll post in more detail when I have more time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #61 November 29, 2008 QuoteYou should ask your friend why he's comfortable with his fiancee chatting up strange men on the internet.. Sounds like she's not much into him. That's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, it's great that the guy was arrested, but why was she chatting with him in the first place? I don't even respond to people who seem to be trying to initiate conversation for sexual purposes. If my husband had some chick come over to lure her into getting arrested, I'd be wondering how they started their correspondence to begin with.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #62 November 29, 2008 Quote I don't even respond to people who seem to be trying to initiate conversation for sexual purposes. Now ya tell me... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #63 November 29, 2008 Quote Quote I don't even respond to people who seem to be trying to initiate conversation for sexual purposes. Now ya tell me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharimcm 0 #64 November 30, 2008 I was going to stay out of this, but just an FYI... That dude knows where the "house that took him down" is. Chances are, he'll be out on bond in no time before his trial. That would make me uncomfortable. I know that even though they have evidence to show he is a threat, an AFF instructor (now in jail for 25 years) was out on bond with child molestation charges that he plead guilty to. He was out for about three months before his trial date when they formerly arrested him. I can't remember the ages of the girls, but I believe one was 9, the other 12 or 13. And more info from the inside (my former bf was a convicted felon - go me) - "baby touchers" are actually secluded in a different "part" of the prison system. If they were in general population, chances are they wouldn't make it out of jail alive. "I had a dude tip his black cowboy hat to me after I provided him with a condom outside my hotel room at 3-something in the morning." -myself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #65 November 30, 2008 Maybe I'm playing to stereotype too much, but of all the criminals I would consider dangerous to an adult, child molesters would be on the bottom of the list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites