Conundrum 1 #1 November 12, 2008 http://www.thenhf.com/articles/articles_792/articles_792.htm ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 November 12, 2008 Lets see a double blind test with a larger test group then 15 people to see the results.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #3 November 12, 2008 Pres and VP of that orgainzation are lawyers. Chairman is a musician. Stated objective: " a repeal of the Kefauver Amendment of 1962 that gave the FDA expanded authority over drug "efficacy" Seriously, you really think the eradication of cancer has already been discovered? Cancer comes in many forms. That is why treatment for some cancers differs from others. That is why some cancers are curable, some can be put into remission, and some are not even treatable. btw - efficacy means the drug actually works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #4 November 12, 2008 If there was a CURE for cancer. I don't think it would ever make it to the public. Many many people would loose their jobs.Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #5 November 12, 2008 Do you know that there is a car that runs on water!??? Water!!!! The oil companies don't want us to know because then they would all be out of jobs. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #6 November 12, 2008 QuoteIf there was a CURE for cancer. I don't think it would ever make it to the public. Many many people would loose their jobs. What? Wait, are you.... Forget it, I'll just go smash my forehead into something instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #7 November 12, 2008 There is actually a car that runs on air!.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4&feature=relatedHi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #8 November 12, 2008 QuoteIf there was a CURE for cancer. I don't think it would ever make it to the public. Death cures cancer. AFAIK, 100% effective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #9 November 12, 2008 QuoteWhat? Wait, are you.... Forget it, I'll just go smash my forehead into something instead. Thats just my opinion. With the technology we have now, i refuse to believe that we cant find a cure for cancer or anything that comes relatively close. I would hope for a cure for the benefit of those cancer patients. I have a friend who's mother passed away 3 months ago to cancer. Believe me i wish there was a cure available to her.Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #10 November 12, 2008 I never read any further than "it works 100% of the time". No scientist taking themselves seriously would ever make such a claim."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #11 November 12, 2008 Quote I never read any further than "it works 100% of the time". No scientist taking themselves seriously would ever make such a claim. Unless of course.....it worked 100% of the time Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #12 November 12, 2008 Quote Do you know that there is a car that runs on water!??? Water!!!! The oil companies don't want us to know because then they would all be out of jobs. Steam engines are nothing new man.Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #13 November 12, 2008 QuoteI never read any further than "it works 100% of the time". No scientist taking themselves seriously would ever make such a claim. Well, it is possible that with the limited testing they've done so far, that it has worked 100% of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bfilarsky 0 #14 November 12, 2008 Quote There is actually a car that runs on air!.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4&feature=related Jesus Christ some people are stoooopid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #15 November 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhat? Wait, are you.... Forget it, I'll just go smash my forehead into something instead. Thats just my opinion. With the technology we have now, i refuse to believe that we cant find a cure for cancer or anything that comes relatively close. I'll probably regret this, but what would lead you to believe that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 November 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat? Wait, are you.... Forget it, I'll just go smash my forehead into something instead. Thats just my opinion. With the technology we have now, i refuse to believe that we cant find a cure for cancer or anything that comes relatively close. I'll probably regret this, but what would lead you to believe that? Conspiracy theory, hope, misinformation, and assumptions . . . mostly hope and good intentions I would think.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #17 November 12, 2008 Shoot, I wasn't very clear. There were two main points: 1. If there is a cure for cancer it would not be made public. 2. With the resources we have, there should be a cure. I was saying: 1. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 2. What would possibly lead someone to believe this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #18 November 12, 2008 QuoteShoot, I wasn't very clear. There were two main points: 1. If there is a cure for cancer it would not be made public. 2. With the resources we have, there should be a cure. I was saying: 1. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 2. What would possibly lead someone to believe this Those answers still stand . . . You asked what would lead someone to believe this . . . you asked for a reason why someone believes something. Emotions and faith are very driving . . . If you wanted specific data, perhaps you might have asked what information led someone to believe this.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chiquita24 0 #19 November 13, 2008 Quote***Thats just my opinion. With the technology we have now, i refuse to believe that we cant find a cure for cancer or anything that comes relatively close. I would hope for a cure for the benefit of those cancer patients. I have a friend who's mother passed away 3 months ago to cancer. Believe me i wish there was a cure available to her. I agree. I'd give anything for a cure for cancer even though for me it's too late. I lost my mom 2 months ago on Fri to a LONG battle with cancer. I think our environment and the things we eat have more do with it than people think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #20 November 13, 2008 QuoteShoot, I wasn't very clear. There were two main points: 1. If there is a cure for cancer it would not be made public. 2. With the resources we have, there should be a cure. I was saying: 1. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 2. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 1. $$$, "treatment" for cancer generates a lot more money than would a cure for it. 2. With all the donations people make worldwide(do not have a clue as to exact amount, but imagine the number is huge) to funding cancer research for who knows how long now, no one has found a cure? The government will spend x amount lending to car manufactures but wont lend a fraction of that to investing in scientists currently working on possibly saving many lives of not only citizens but people world wide. For the record. I wish nothing more to find/have a cure. edit: ive had a few drinks so dont expect #2 to make too much sense right now, i will have to correct it in the moning cheers!Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #21 November 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteShoot, I wasn't very clear. There were two main points: 1. If there is a cure for cancer it would not be made public. 2. With the resources we have, there should be a cure. I was saying: 1. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 2. What would possibly lead someone to believe this 1. $$$, "treatment" for cancer generates a lot more money than would a cure for it. 2. With all the donations people make worldwide(do not have a clue as to exact amount, but imagine the number is huge) to funding cancer research for who knows how long now, no one has found a cure? The government will spend x amount lending to car manufactures but wont lend a fraction of that to investing in scientists currently working on possibly saving many lives of not only citizens but people world wide. For the record. I wish nothing more to find/have a cure. edit: ive had a few drinks so dont expect #2 to make too much sense right now, i will have to correct it in the moning cheers! 1. Not so. A cure would generate far more revenue. Currently there are a number of companies working on developing different scientific platforms for different cancers ( I worked for one ). Its expensive and time consuming. If the products don't work, the company goes out of business and the workers are all unemployed. Treatment options for doctors do not change and the mortality rates for their patients do not change. If there was an actual cure, enormous amounts of the drug would be produced, employing a lot of people. Treatment options for doctors would shift to curing cancer and patients would live much longer making it certain that they would need future treatment for different cancers or medical conditions. If you are old enough to remember a time when robotics were being introduced into american factories, you will remember people screaming that it would put people out of work and cause an economic recession. In fact it had the effect of forcing american workers to the leading edge of computer and robotic technology and was good for the economy. Scientific progress in the realm of medicine is similar. 2. We're getting better, but we are very far from being at the doorstep of a cure for any cancer. There is some promising research being done and some advancements are being made, but we're still a long way off. Please bear in mind that we have yet to able to eradicate the common cold, so cancer is going to be tough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mitsuman 0 #22 November 14, 2008 Well thanks for the input Now i know. Hi, my names Jon, and I love to skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites