winston_06 0 #1 November 7, 2008 http://www.intelligentgiving.com/the_buzz/the_blog/do_not_sponsor_charity_skydivers I was looking through possible sponsorship ideas and came across this! Sorry if it has already been posted but this kinda sucks! Dont know where this guy gets his facts from....but netherless my google search was 'sponsor a skydive' and i got this on the second search result! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 November 7, 2008 What a Twat - psst him not you (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #3 November 7, 2008 I always wonder when someone asks me to sponsor their skydive. Should I pay them to do something that I would consider fun? Would they sponsor me to go to the pub and drink beer? Maybe I could set up some kind of rolling sponsorship deal, where people pledge $2 a month to see me hurl myself repeatedly at the floor. All profits go to charity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #4 November 7, 2008 The way he presents it reflects poorly on skydiving as a whole, but in fact he's only talking about whuffo's who use fundraising as an excuse to do something they'd otherwise never do. He's also got issues with sponsor money going to the "entry fees" and with the amount of money it costs the healthcare system if someone should get injured. At least, that's how I read it."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #5 November 7, 2008 What a FUCK TARD ! My boyfriend's group has raised a lot of money or injured skydivers and other charity events. Someone needs to throw his dumb ass out of a plane w/o a rig.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #6 November 7, 2008 That's a very extreme reaction. I can see what the guy is saying and I agree with him. Of course its been, and is potentially, more of a drain on the NHS than doing a sponsored run. It also seems daft that sometimes the cost of the skydive (tandem) is taken out of the sponsorship money. What's all that about? Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winston_06 0 #7 November 7, 2008 i agree there is more ways than just raising the money and giving half of it to the jump itself. No im well in agreement here, he is a stupid retard! I think the moral of my point is that if 'whuffo's' are putting into google sponsor a skydive or something similar they are getting advice from a nob like that basically saying your going to injure yourself !! Maybe we can email that sites loads to get it removed as it has no truth to that matter! Have you never gone to a marathon before and seen just how many volunteers and medical staff waiting on the side lines in case someone faints etc?? you dont see that when you do a tandem!! Plus i have worked for the NHS for 6 years now and not seen one skydiving related accident! I do see old people and motorcylists costing the NHS more money! (sorry to bike riders!) i get annoyed that a whuffo can get away with being so wrong in so many ways and i would hate to think people would be put off giving to charity! I hate finding things like this... grrr!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #8 November 7, 2008 Oh I see, you object to potential charity skydivers being told they have a high chance of being injured skydiving, and you think that that is inaccurate information. Your comparisons aren't exactly accurate I'm afraid, and thus don't convince me. I'm sure if several thousand people were doing a tandem in one day, you'd see lots of medical staff waiting on the side lines. But with only a couple at any one DZ at a time its hardly worth it. As for your other comparison, there are more elderly people and motorcyclists in the world, than skydivers. (Although it doesn't feel that way at times ) So there will be far more incidents involving them. Don't get me wrong, I've done the whole charity skydive thing and have nothing against them per se, but I do find the extreme reaction to something that's not going to have a major impact on skydiving to be a little odd. If anything it's skydivers OTT negative reactions to this, rather than the article itself that would put me off. Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winston_06 0 #9 November 7, 2008 sorry Ripple you have read my text all wrong!! Im not saying people wont get injured cos that just silly, im saying is that a whuffo is spilling off this and that which says to potential tandems, dont do it cos your wasting NHS money which is just wrong!! I think getting charity money through a tandem is a lovely way to do things and im all for it. I think saying that there is more old people and motorcylists is also a little off my point. The comparison this person said is that there is more money being spent on fixing people after a tandem than there is raising money for charity, I was merely pointing out a far more waste of money ie with old folk or motorcylists! (not saying its their fault) I think i just hate reading such rubbish, it annoys me! Ripple: Also you do understand there is like 20 odd drop zones in the Uk, some doing 100 tandems a weekend or more so that would equal maybe 2000 tandems being done every weekend??!! Figure that against how much the NHS spends on fixing people?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #10 November 7, 2008 Oh I seeeeeeeee. Sorry, I did read it wrong. I still don't think it's going to put a lot of people off though. How many people want to do a skydive for charity? And how many of them are going to find the post? And how many of them are going to be disuaded if they do read it? Hopefully those that are, find something else to do to raise money, which is what its all about rather than getting new converts to the religion of skydiving, isn't it? Interesting point you raise about it being a nice way to raise money. I'm with JackC on this. I think I'd rather sponsor someone who was going to be putting some work in themselves. Skydiving may seem very scary initially, but its hugely enjoyable and the vast majority of people who do a tandem for charity seem to want to continue. Why should I fund that if their sponsorship is paying for the jump? Anyway..... Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winston_06 0 #11 November 7, 2008 yes i agree with what your saying, However! which leads me straight off the point, you say you wouldnt sponsor people for skydiving as it is so enjoyable (ah ha! one for the thinking cap! which in a sense to whuffo's in a huge thing for them to do (tandem) in comparison to us doing a record which is also a big thing for us! hence why we both ask for donations! I think i have gone way off here but alas what is a forum for! haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripple 0 #12 November 7, 2008 Ahha, but you see I think a record attempt is something entirely different than a first tandem. A record attempt will take hard work, training and dedication over an extended period of time. You, as the skydiver, are having to contribute an enormous effort to the event, a first timer just turns up [:D] I think its about sponsoring effort. If I can see that someone has put themselves out to do something for charity, then I'm more motivated to hand out cash to them.Next Mood Swing: 6 minutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #13 November 7, 2008 Quote That's a very extreme reaction. I can see what the guy is saying and I agree with him. Of course its been, and is potentially, more of a drain on the NHS than doing a sponsored run. It also seems daft that sometimes the cost of the skydive (tandem) is taken out of the sponsorship money. What's all that about? Maybe so, I just know how much work that many people including myself have put into raising money and collecting raffle prizes for charity to go to injured jumpers or to other charities. I get very mad when some idiot whuffo, puts an idiot whuffo spin on stuff... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_music11 0 #14 November 7, 2008 Ok.. so, Im preaching to the choir here.. but the dude who wrote that blog is an inconsiderate, uninformed blow hard! He can take a long walk off a short pier! Long live skydivers!! Blue skiesIf flying is piloting a plane.. then swimming is driving a boat. I know why birds sing.. I skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winston_06 0 #15 November 7, 2008 hahah too right!!! I second that ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #16 November 7, 2008 Quote http://www.intelligentgiving.com/the_buzz/the_blog/do_not_sponsor_charity_skydivers I was looking through possible sponsorship ideas and came across this! Sorry if it has already been posted but this kinda sucks! Dont know where this guy gets his facts from....but netherless my google search was 'sponsor a skydive' and i got this on the second search result! holy christ people. 15 posts and still no clicky. where's dsquared?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #17 November 7, 2008 Quote Quote http://www.intelligentgiving.com/the_buzz/the_blog/do_not_sponsor_charity_skydivers I was looking through possible sponsorship ideas and came across this! Sorry if it has already been posted but this kinda sucks! Dont know where this guy gets his facts from....but netherless my google search was 'sponsor a skydive' and i got this on the second search result! holy christ people. 15 posts and still no clicky. where's dsquared? Im normally good about making things clicky, but this didn't warrant the waste of my time.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #18 November 7, 2008 I read his article and the supporting documents. The supporting documents are correct, but his analysis is the work of the uneducated. It has most of the statistical errors contained by "repeating" journalists. The person who created the website Fark has a book on the topic. First, the base study was limited to one place. So, saying that all dropzones have this error rate is using a small sample to generalize about the population. ("I have seen two cars today and they were green, so all cars are green.") Second, the study site is a trauma unit, so they have excluded the safe events from the study. The obvious, and handily overlooked, number is how much money was successfully and safely collected. Imagine if you did the same study on cars. "We had 400 car injury patients, who drove an average of 4 miles from home, and they cost us an average of $20,000." Using that his statistical method: - Driving a car costs $5,000 a mile. - Everyone who drives was in an accident. It ignores the millions of safe miles driven every year. Last, it has the earmark of web bloggerss: They've got to write some crap each week. The more asinine it is, the more attention and response that they recieve. Controversy keeps a blogger employed. A one-sided issue is always best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
debussyschild 0 #19 November 7, 2008 I just got sick to my stomach and nearly threw up my lunch after reading that idiot's blog. As a beginner, even I know not to put your nose where it doesn't belong. What a fucking retard."For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
