The111 1 #1 October 30, 2008 QuoteUh sorry to say but to realize it's a TV show. Who in their right mind except an idiot would carry their camera around themselves. Oh my gosh! A man alone in the wild! Insane! I can't believe someone who has jumped out of an airplane 100 times can't understand why a person would want to be alone in the wilderness. QuoteWould you do it alone without a camera guy? Hell no. Neither would I. All I expect of the guy is him to depict it as surviving alone and hopefully giving us the right information if we are in that situation. Not do it alone himself. That would be simply retarded. Seriously, I cannot comprehend where you are coming from. We jump out of fucking planes. Most people think we're crazy and they're right. What we do isn't natural at all. However, surviving in the wilderness isn't only natural, it's part of man's history and legacy. What is so "retarded" about that?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrismgtis 0 #2 November 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteUh sorry to say but to realize it's a TV show. Who in their right mind except an idiot would carry their camera around themselves. Oh my gosh! A man alone in the wild! Insane! I can't believe someone who has jumped out of an airplane 100 times can't understand why a person would want to be alone in the wilderness. QuoteWould you do it alone without a camera guy? Hell no. Neither would I. All I expect of the guy is him to depict it as surviving alone and hopefully giving us the right information if we are in that situation. Not do it alone himself. That would be simply retarded. Seriously, I cannot comprehend where you are coming from. We jump out of fucking planes. Most people think we're crazy and they're right. What we do isn't natural at all. However, surviving in the wilderness isn't only natural, it's part of man's history and legacy. What is so "retarded" about that? Dude, don't attack me if you don't even understand what I said. I never said anything about learning to survive being retarded. If I had the money to do it I'd take every possible course in it just because it would be neat to know these things. Do I trust anything some guy on TV tells me? Of course not, I'm not an idiot. What I said about his camera was that it would be completely stupid and retarded for him to do this show, placing cameras on tripods while he walks 50 feet, returning to get it, placing the camera down again and doing the same thing, putting the camera at higher places and having to climb shit repeatedly. I've got a small bit of film school stuff which isn't much, but I've paid attention to how things work as much as I can since I was a little kid when it comes to television, and when you've got a TV show like this you don't go out there alone. By doing it you already have the resources to have a team there with you and saying no to that and instead wanting to run around and zig zag like a crazy man with a few cameras would make you insane and I'd have to laugh pretty hard at anyone that does that. Plus they wouldn't exactly easily agree to you being alone to do this, the networks butts would be on the line if the guy died. Actually I think I'm even confused about what you are talking about, what does skydiving have to do with being alone in the wilderness? Not a thing... unless I'm missing something. I don't understand what you mean by that? Would I like to do the wilderness thing? Heck yea. I had made plans to go to Yellowstone for a week. I had been researching and finding the gear I wanted to do it with, but then I made a skydive and my priority changed. Yea and I agree part of our history is surviving in the wilderness. Only in the past 150-200 or so years have we done otherwise. Now we have heating and air conditioning which in my opinion is one of the biggest things to condition us in such a way that not a lot of us could survive without it. But dude we are spoiled. If you made a random person try to survive for two weeks in the wild, they would be dead in 3 days or however long it takes to starve. People just are that dumb these days.Rodriguez Brother #1614, Muff Brother #4033 Jumped: Twin Otter, Cessna 182, CASA, Helicopter, Caravan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #3 November 1, 2008 Quote[ What I said about his camera was that it would be completely stupid and retarded for him to do this show, placing cameras on tripods while he walks 50 feet, returning to get it, placing the camera down again and doing the same thing, putting the camera at higher places and having to climb shit repeatedly. I've got a small bit of film school stuff which isn't much, but I've paid attention to how things work as much as I can since I was a little kid when it comes to television, and when you've got a TV show like this you don't go out there alone. By doing it you already have the resources to have a team there with you and saying no to that and instead wanting to run around and zig zag like a crazy man with a few cameras would make you insane and I'd have to laugh pretty hard at anyone that does that. Plus they wouldn't exactly easily agree to you being alone to do this, the networks butts would be on the line if the guy died. . This is exactly how Les Stroud does his show; sets a camera on a tripod, Gorilla-pod, or beanie-mount, and then walks away from the cam. When he returns from a 5-7 day shoot, he'll have upwards of 150 hours of tape/card-media to be captured and edited. Maybe it has nothing to do with skydiving, but what you're saying isn't accurate, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richard1954 0 #4 November 2, 2008 I'll chime in just for fun, not to irritate anyone. I could see living alone in the wilderness and, as a way to fund this, setting up cameras and filming myself. Maybe it's an Introvert thing. That Grizzly Man guy did the same thing before he was killed by a . . . bear. Another way we are "spoiled" today, besides air conditioning and airplanes and nylon canopies, is by the need for constant stimulation. A guy who likes to live a leisurely life, not on the clock, moving cameras around to record his actions in the wilderness, is incomprehensible to the MTV generation. Too slow, too "idiotic." Like camping or fishing or deer hunting or something. Who could stand the pace of fishing? Nothing much else to do out there most of the time. Why not film yourself, like everyone else does with web cams and cameras held at arm's length, and have your self-produced 15 minutes of fame? Or have yourself recorded skydiving as if the world is anxious to watch wonderful you, you, You!? The thing about Les is, his solutions often don't work well, and he seems miserable much of the time. But Bear is a kind of "Reality TV" version of James Bond for the kiddies with short attention spans. Les is some Joe who has the guts to be uncomfortable, screw up, and live as if he were truly stranded. He says in one show he's bored to death by a two-day rain that kept him pinned under cover. We're bored, too, if we need some stimulation every 3-5 seconds. But that's a real reaction to two days of rain. It's not for everyone, but it seems more realistic simply because it's imperfect. Les has said in the show, when he had an infection or something, that he might have to get extracted for his own survival. I'm sure he has a radio or something to get himself out of a life-threatening situation. But I don't think people are hanging around in the background with hot meals and clean, dry clothes, as they obviously are on Bear's show. The fine-print disclaimer on Bear's show says, "Bear is sometimes presented with situations . . ." That means some situtations are produced for effect, more or less simulating some adolescent fantasy of a Special Ops guy who can't go 5 minutes without encountering and overcoming some danger. I don't regularly watch either show because I don't regularly watch TV. But I'm tired of Bear except that he moves around a lot (never walks), and I instinctively doubt, for instance, his method of "inserting" himself into the sea from a speedboat by more or less doing a summersault off the gunwales. Maybe that's how it's done, but it's got nothing to do with me or with "survival." It's just showmanship. And where's the speedboat come from? I agree, Bear's show is more about pseudo-military heroics than survival. Les's is about survival, mundane, uncomfortable, often unrelieved boredom, lousy but best-possbile solutions, and the appeal of self-sufficiency. They LOOK like similar shows, but they aren't. One is about plausibly surviving in the wilderness. The other is a glamorized version of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #5 November 2, 2008 you think it takes 3 days to starve? you are sadly misinformed my friend. most people can last that long w/o WATER!!! much less food. the human instinct to survive is much stronger that you seem to believe it to be.i have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #6 November 2, 2008 I may not be that random person you speak of. but if you drop me off with a sharp knife. a weapon and supply of ammo. when you come back in 2 weeks I'll have a nice tight shelter built and a supply of meat layed in. count on it.i have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 November 2, 2008 Quote I may not be that random person you speak of. but if you drop me off with a sharp knife. a weapon and supply of ammo. when you come back in 2 weeks I'll have a nice tight shelter built and a supply of meat layed in. count on it. Hmmph... I did that at 14 without the weapon and ammo. Don't they do that in the Boy Scouts any more?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #8 November 2, 2008 Quoteyou think it takes 3 days to starve? you are sadly misinformed my friend. most people can last that long w/o WATER!!! much less food. the human instinct to survive is much stronger that you seem to believe it to be. 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 November 2, 2008 Sparky -- You've had to deal with far uglier survival situations in your life than I've ever had to, but even you must realize those are wildly rough estimates. Parts of the world you'd be extremely lucky to live 3 days without water and 3 minutes without air is highly optimistic at certain altitudes. 3 weeks without food may be doable for most places if your body doesn't have extremely high caloric requirements. A very, very rough guideline to be sure.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #10 November 2, 2008 Yea, but it is quick and easy and most fools will believe it.Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
