GQ_jumper 4 #1 September 4, 2008 Well I've been slacking the last few PPV's, but this time, under threat of castration by our very own Chinagirl I'll gettin back behind the keyboard to do a little of that commentertatin stuff! As it sits right now the UFC light heavyweight division's list of title contenders is getting overcrowded and there's a few who need to get knocked off. Sitting at the top of the list we've got Chuck(21-5) and Rashad(13-0-1). Chuck barely needs an introduction, he was the reigning light heavyweight champion for 2 years in the UFC and won every single title defense by either KO or TKO, he has an iron chin, so tough he's only been knocked out by one man, Quinton Jackson, who arguably has the most powerful punches in the light heavyweight world, Chuck is the only man to ever knock out the UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture, and is one of the most feared strikers in the world. Enough said. Rashad is the winner of TUF season 2, he was actually the heavyweight winner because there was no LH class that season, he won the show in a split decision win over Brad Imes. Rashad was an accomplished wrestler at Michigan state who has greatly improved standup for someone with a wrestling background, he's incredibly athletic, has great cardio, comes from a well established and bgreatly recognized training camp(Greg Jackson's) and has been working his way up the UFC ladder the last few years. Unfortunately, he has been doing so in less than spectacular fashion, nobody has ever accused Rashad of being an exciting fighter who finishes his fights. 50% of the fights Rashad has engaged in have gone to decision, with half of those being split decisions. His last two fights have been incredibly unimpressive, a draw against Tito last year, which barely saved his undefeated record only due to a point lost by Tito, Rashad lost that entire fight with the exception of the last 2 minutes of round 3, his most recent fight was against Michael Bisping, who has since stepped down into the middleweight division. Bisping was probably a perfectly even opponent when it comes to fight skill, the only thing he lacked was the size and he took it to a very close split decision. Breaking down the styles we're looking at a wrestler vs. striker matchup, both are well-versed in the other's strong suit in that Rashad is in no way afraid to stand in the pocket and exchange with someone, and Chuck has the best scramble and take down defense in the entire MMA universe. How is this going to play out in the ring? Well Rashad has already said that he is not afraid to stand in the pocket with Liddell and he thinks his chin is good enough to take a few shots in order to set up his takedowns, THAT'S FUCKIN BALLSY!! All the commentary about the fight is talking about Rashad's stand up game, and how he's going to utilize it against Chuck, reason being is that nobody is expecting Rashad to successfully put Chuck on the mat, and if he does he won't keep it there for long. I watched a few of Rashad's older fights before I wrote this, his takedowns aren't bad at all, unfortunately for him, he has little finishing ability once on the ground. A weakness like this will be easily exploited by someone like Chuck, who's only question mark going into this fight involves the torn hamstring he suffered preparing for this fight earlier this year. If we see Chuck come out 100% and fight like he did against Silva than Rashad's long overdue first loss is going to happen Saturday night. Overall I don't see any way for Rashad to win this fight, it just isn't his time for a title shot, the question is who is next for Chuck after he dispatches Rashad.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #2 September 4, 2008 Damn, sometimes people just come out of no where. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #3 September 4, 2008 Chuck by rnc in second or third round. What do you think about the other main card matches and did you crap a miata at the Randy news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 September 4, 2008 How about Couture vs Lesnar in the November PPV at Las Vegas? Has Lesnar gotten up the ladder way too early here? He's a monstrous SOB, but little MMA experience."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #5 September 4, 2008 What do you think about the other main card matches and did you crap a miata at the Randy news? Quote There's some incredibly interesting undercard fights this PPV, I honestly couldn't write anymore last night, I had a root canal yesterday and was feeling like a bag of smashed assholes so I didn't really have the energy to even write the first analysis. My picks are Hendo and Franklin though, you don't ever count Dan out of a fight, he's far too talented. And Franklin, he's going to have a little bit of a size disadvantage against Hammill, Franklin was a big middleweight to begin with and walks around towards the top end of the LHW range if not above. Franklin's experience is going to play a big role in this one, Hammill's striking has come a long way since he started, but in his last fight it was still clear that it is far from technical enough to deal with someone like Rich. On the feet there is no contest, on the ground Hammill has a big advantage solely in the control area. Rich proved in his last fight that his submission defense is top notch, he has little to no worries about being submitted, the only place Matt is going to control him is in the positioning. Hammill's take downs are also going to be a big decider, Rich will do a great job of keeping him at bay with strikes forcing Matt to shoot from the outside. Towards the end of his fight with Bisping Hammill had a hard time putting him down, Rich is far more experienced and talented that Bisping and will pose an even bigger problem in this area. Honestly, I think Hammill is being thrown to the wolves on this one. And yes I shit a brick and threw a temper tantrum at the Randy news, Brock doesn't deserve shit in this sport yet, and giving him a title shot is bullshit, especially since the man that beat him last spring is fighting for the interim title. This fight is taking so much legitimacy away from the organization, bucking the title picture like this to give some media fairy a title shot because he has celebrity status. Randy is going to fucking punish him and I'm going to be ringside laughing, and if I'm drunk enough possibly touching myself!!!History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #6 September 4, 2008 Thoughts on Nate/Martin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #7 September 5, 2008 Question- (rhetorical) who has rashad fought? nobody that was a very big name. He fought tito him after tito lost his desire. As you said, Rashad lost that fight in all but the points. Obviously, Chuck has been through the fire. I think Rashad was spoon fed fights so they can market the Bisping/rashad double undefeated bout. (Ping wasn't impressive til he dropped weight either.) I would like to see Rashad crack under the pressue of a completely different league of fighter. How do you think Rashad would do against any of the opponents Chuck fought in the last 5 bouts? (Silva, Jardine, Rampage, Ortiz and Couture?)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #8 September 5, 2008 Question- (rhetorical) who has rashad fought? nobody that was a very big name. He fought tito him after tito lost his desire. As you said, Rashad lost that fight in all but the points. Quote The lackluster performance of Tito's third round, as well as late in the second could very well be attributed to the recurring back injury, not trying to make excuses for him but I've fought with injuries and they sap the strength out of you. Tito's conditioning is far better than what he showed, look at the first round where he shot for a takedown and blew straight through Rashad slamming him into the fence. Rashad had nothing in that fight, he's not a top tier fighter, he's going to end up being a long-term gate keeper. So long as Chuck's injury is healed and doesn't hamper his takedown defense, Rashad has nothing.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #9 September 5, 2008 I just want to know which 3 bitches voted for Evans? You know, in this sport you can never predict what happens. Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Other than that, he seriously has no business being in the ring with Liddell yet. He's a cocky son of a biatch with no talent whatsoever and I just can't wait to see him get his ass handed to him!! I can't quite say who I'm rooting for yet between Franklin and Hamill. Franklin definitely has more experience and I haven't seen Hamill in the ring recently. He could very well have improved his game. I don't think walking around heavier necessarily means it will be second nature for Franklin to fight with all that weight. I watched the countdown with Anderson Silva and he said fighting with extra weight is quite different...I'll admit I'm slightly sided with Franklin though, just by past performances. Hands down, Henderson better own this fight 110%! He needs to. I don't think Palhares has fought anyone in the same class as Henderson. It should be overwhelming. As for Kampmann and Marquardt, I think Marquardt will do well in this match. I was pretty impressed with him for endearing almost the whole round against Anderson Silva and he's been pretty entertaining in the last few fights as well. By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #10 September 5, 2008 Quote Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Matt Serra is still way better than GSP will ever be. You think he got his ass kicked on their 2nd match up but Serra was setting GSP up for the re-rematch. GSP will think nothing of him and he'll upset him again. Quote By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! Who the fuck is arianny?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydude89 0 #11 September 5, 2008 Arianne would be the ring girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deisel 38 #12 September 6, 2008 I have to wonder if some of you even watch the fights. Wow. Even without getting into who 'should' have won, why, and how, you have to acknowledge results. Evans has never lost a fight. It's the same reason you still can not safely bet against the Patriots. Until someone TRULY proves that he can be beaten, everyone needs to shut the fuck up. Did I mention that Evans has never lost a fight? Dana stated at the end of the following season of TUF that there had only been only one fighter that he had underestimated - Evans. Have we learned nothing from his mistake? But yeah, I voted for the Iceman too. Hey - my son loves him.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #13 September 6, 2008 Oh damn...I'm being chastised about my analysis from a guy who voted based on the fighter his kid "loves". ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydude89 0 #14 September 6, 2008 LOl rashad evans couldnt even fight with tito, and chuck made tito look like a wimp. so if your betting for rashad u just lost some cash.The only thing impressive evans has ever did was that legg kick to shawn salmon and he was a no body.So tonight will be rashad's first loss by KO from chuck liddell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #15 September 7, 2008 I have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #16 September 7, 2008 WTF was that all about?!!?!? After running away during the first round, he managed to pull a Matt Serra after all? Chuck was out cold...for a moment I think the crowd was stunned silent. I sure as hell was. Retirement or he needs to change his fighting style...people are beginning to pick it apart. Talk about disappointing after all the other 3 predictions were accurate. By the way, I ran into Karo Parisyan outside the Arena. He was on crutches. I was wondering why his match was canceled...man, he's hot! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deisel 38 #17 September 7, 2008 I FNG told you so! Against everything that we all know as holy and was supposed to happen, Evans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? C'mon. Lets think about this. At what point does everyone admit that the guy may not know how to fight, but he certainly knows how to win fights. Evans is on a long list of guys/gals/teams that somehow, someway, always end up winning. DThe brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #18 September 7, 2008 His time will come. He just got bumped up the ladder and playing in the big league now. He may be undefeated but I'm still not impress with him as a fighter. And until he can show that he knows how to fight...I'll still root against his ass! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #19 September 7, 2008 Let's go back to chuck 1st RECENT loss; Rampage. Chuck; "why change the thing (style ) that got me where I am today?" ...talking about how he prepared for rampage. Me(to the tv): Uhh, Because everyone has seen a hundred hours of your style...and ramapage beat your ass already. when half of your career losses are within the last four matches you may need to retire since he's to proud and stupid to evolve. All you need is a good right to the (left side of his ) chin. I don't Think Rashad is that good. He DID land a good shot but I don't think he is top caliber, yet. The only seasoned veterans he has faced were Tito (discussed above) and Chuck. Half of his fights were weak and went to decision. QuoteEvans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? Deisel, He did only did this once, so far. Letting the judges decide who wins is not a strong victory. I'dsay this is his 2nd fight where he was the underdog. Tito and Chuck. Even in the series when he fought Brad IMes I wouldn't say he was an underdog. Brad was sloppy and new IIRC. Rashad was shorter and new. that was the whole hype. I won't tak ethis fight away from Evans. He did what he wanted to do and it wasn't a lucky shot. But Until he faces and beat more top tier fighters I won't say he's good enough to be there.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #20 September 7, 2008 oh yea, and what the fuck is with him playing with his nipples during the announcement?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #21 September 7, 2008 I know! He was totally weird! It wasn't just the nipples...he literally crawled into the Octagon and the whole time was "monkeying" around. I don't know if that was televised or not but I was wondering what that boy was on. Nonetheless, good for him. It's time for him to prove himself. Btw, I was pretty amused to see Keith Jardine by his side. Wonder if he got any advice from The Mean himself...?~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #22 September 7, 2008 I didn't see Jardine. He was with Rashad? The advise I'd give would be Don't play chucks game, make him come to you.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PeregrineFalcon 0 #23 September 7, 2008 QuoteI have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door. The announcer said, "We have not seen the last of Chuck Liddel!" If he's right, that would be a shame. The man got his ass kicked in three of his last four fights and was knocked out by Evans for what seemed like three minutes and was on queer street for another 10 minutes after that. Chuck...retire. No honor lost in that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #24 September 7, 2008 I missed the fight but I've read the commentary on how rashad made it happen, he game in with the perfect game plan. 99 times out of 100 Rashad is not the better striker, but he put together a strategy that worked against Chuck's gameplan which anyone who has watched his fights can write a book about. I don't fuckin like Rashad, but he was the better fighter that day, so congrats to him on the win. Don't forget Rashad had Jardine helping him put together a gameplan, Jardine fought a great fight against Chuck because he had the better strategy, Rashad pulled the wool over Chuck's eye's and made him pay. Chuck is beginning to become like Tito, his strategy is easily predictable and people who may very well be lesser fighters are beating him on strategy. He needs to change some things up. He can stay at the top, just not the way he used to. As for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #25 September 7, 2008 QuoteAs for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost. And we all know what chuck says is law... Oh wait that's Chuck Norris. LIddell has been exposed. While I agree with you (and Chuck) about the tito fight, Evans is still undefeated.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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jtval 0 #7 September 5, 2008 Question- (rhetorical) who has rashad fought? nobody that was a very big name. He fought tito him after tito lost his desire. As you said, Rashad lost that fight in all but the points. Obviously, Chuck has been through the fire. I think Rashad was spoon fed fights so they can market the Bisping/rashad double undefeated bout. (Ping wasn't impressive til he dropped weight either.) I would like to see Rashad crack under the pressue of a completely different league of fighter. How do you think Rashad would do against any of the opponents Chuck fought in the last 5 bouts? (Silva, Jardine, Rampage, Ortiz and Couture?)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #8 September 5, 2008 Question- (rhetorical) who has rashad fought? nobody that was a very big name. He fought tito him after tito lost his desire. As you said, Rashad lost that fight in all but the points. Quote The lackluster performance of Tito's third round, as well as late in the second could very well be attributed to the recurring back injury, not trying to make excuses for him but I've fought with injuries and they sap the strength out of you. Tito's conditioning is far better than what he showed, look at the first round where he shot for a takedown and blew straight through Rashad slamming him into the fence. Rashad had nothing in that fight, he's not a top tier fighter, he's going to end up being a long-term gate keeper. So long as Chuck's injury is healed and doesn't hamper his takedown defense, Rashad has nothing.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #9 September 5, 2008 I just want to know which 3 bitches voted for Evans? You know, in this sport you can never predict what happens. Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Other than that, he seriously has no business being in the ring with Liddell yet. He's a cocky son of a biatch with no talent whatsoever and I just can't wait to see him get his ass handed to him!! I can't quite say who I'm rooting for yet between Franklin and Hamill. Franklin definitely has more experience and I haven't seen Hamill in the ring recently. He could very well have improved his game. I don't think walking around heavier necessarily means it will be second nature for Franklin to fight with all that weight. I watched the countdown with Anderson Silva and he said fighting with extra weight is quite different...I'll admit I'm slightly sided with Franklin though, just by past performances. Hands down, Henderson better own this fight 110%! He needs to. I don't think Palhares has fought anyone in the same class as Henderson. It should be overwhelming. As for Kampmann and Marquardt, I think Marquardt will do well in this match. I was pretty impressed with him for endearing almost the whole round against Anderson Silva and he's been pretty entertaining in the last few fights as well. By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #10 September 5, 2008 Quote Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Matt Serra is still way better than GSP will ever be. You think he got his ass kicked on their 2nd match up but Serra was setting GSP up for the re-rematch. GSP will think nothing of him and he'll upset him again. Quote By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! Who the fuck is arianny?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydude89 0 #11 September 5, 2008 Arianne would be the ring girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deisel 38 #12 September 6, 2008 I have to wonder if some of you even watch the fights. Wow. Even without getting into who 'should' have won, why, and how, you have to acknowledge results. Evans has never lost a fight. It's the same reason you still can not safely bet against the Patriots. Until someone TRULY proves that he can be beaten, everyone needs to shut the fuck up. Did I mention that Evans has never lost a fight? Dana stated at the end of the following season of TUF that there had only been only one fighter that he had underestimated - Evans. Have we learned nothing from his mistake? But yeah, I voted for the Iceman too. Hey - my son loves him.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #13 September 6, 2008 Oh damn...I'm being chastised about my analysis from a guy who voted based on the fighter his kid "loves". ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydude89 0 #14 September 6, 2008 LOl rashad evans couldnt even fight with tito, and chuck made tito look like a wimp. so if your betting for rashad u just lost some cash.The only thing impressive evans has ever did was that legg kick to shawn salmon and he was a no body.So tonight will be rashad's first loss by KO from chuck liddell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #15 September 7, 2008 I have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #16 September 7, 2008 WTF was that all about?!!?!? After running away during the first round, he managed to pull a Matt Serra after all? Chuck was out cold...for a moment I think the crowd was stunned silent. I sure as hell was. Retirement or he needs to change his fighting style...people are beginning to pick it apart. Talk about disappointing after all the other 3 predictions were accurate. By the way, I ran into Karo Parisyan outside the Arena. He was on crutches. I was wondering why his match was canceled...man, he's hot! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deisel 38 #17 September 7, 2008 I FNG told you so! Against everything that we all know as holy and was supposed to happen, Evans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? C'mon. Lets think about this. At what point does everyone admit that the guy may not know how to fight, but he certainly knows how to win fights. Evans is on a long list of guys/gals/teams that somehow, someway, always end up winning. DThe brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #18 September 7, 2008 His time will come. He just got bumped up the ladder and playing in the big league now. He may be undefeated but I'm still not impress with him as a fighter. And until he can show that he knows how to fight...I'll still root against his ass! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #19 September 7, 2008 Let's go back to chuck 1st RECENT loss; Rampage. Chuck; "why change the thing (style ) that got me where I am today?" ...talking about how he prepared for rampage. Me(to the tv): Uhh, Because everyone has seen a hundred hours of your style...and ramapage beat your ass already. when half of your career losses are within the last four matches you may need to retire since he's to proud and stupid to evolve. All you need is a good right to the (left side of his ) chin. I don't Think Rashad is that good. He DID land a good shot but I don't think he is top caliber, yet. The only seasoned veterans he has faced were Tito (discussed above) and Chuck. Half of his fights were weak and went to decision. QuoteEvans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? Deisel, He did only did this once, so far. Letting the judges decide who wins is not a strong victory. I'dsay this is his 2nd fight where he was the underdog. Tito and Chuck. Even in the series when he fought Brad IMes I wouldn't say he was an underdog. Brad was sloppy and new IIRC. Rashad was shorter and new. that was the whole hype. I won't tak ethis fight away from Evans. He did what he wanted to do and it wasn't a lucky shot. But Until he faces and beat more top tier fighters I won't say he's good enough to be there.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #20 September 7, 2008 oh yea, and what the fuck is with him playing with his nipples during the announcement?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chinagirl 0 #21 September 7, 2008 I know! He was totally weird! It wasn't just the nipples...he literally crawled into the Octagon and the whole time was "monkeying" around. I don't know if that was televised or not but I was wondering what that boy was on. Nonetheless, good for him. It's time for him to prove himself. Btw, I was pretty amused to see Keith Jardine by his side. Wonder if he got any advice from The Mean himself...?~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #22 September 7, 2008 I didn't see Jardine. He was with Rashad? The advise I'd give would be Don't play chucks game, make him come to you.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PeregrineFalcon 0 #23 September 7, 2008 QuoteI have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door. The announcer said, "We have not seen the last of Chuck Liddel!" If he's right, that would be a shame. The man got his ass kicked in three of his last four fights and was knocked out by Evans for what seemed like three minutes and was on queer street for another 10 minutes after that. Chuck...retire. No honor lost in that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #24 September 7, 2008 I missed the fight but I've read the commentary on how rashad made it happen, he game in with the perfect game plan. 99 times out of 100 Rashad is not the better striker, but he put together a strategy that worked against Chuck's gameplan which anyone who has watched his fights can write a book about. I don't fuckin like Rashad, but he was the better fighter that day, so congrats to him on the win. Don't forget Rashad had Jardine helping him put together a gameplan, Jardine fought a great fight against Chuck because he had the better strategy, Rashad pulled the wool over Chuck's eye's and made him pay. Chuck is beginning to become like Tito, his strategy is easily predictable and people who may very well be lesser fighters are beating him on strategy. He needs to change some things up. He can stay at the top, just not the way he used to. As for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #25 September 7, 2008 QuoteAs for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost. And we all know what chuck says is law... Oh wait that's Chuck Norris. LIddell has been exposed. While I agree with you (and Chuck) about the tito fight, Evans is still undefeated.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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chinagirl 0 #9 September 5, 2008 I just want to know which 3 bitches voted for Evans? You know, in this sport you can never predict what happens. Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Other than that, he seriously has no business being in the ring with Liddell yet. He's a cocky son of a biatch with no talent whatsoever and I just can't wait to see him get his ass handed to him!! I can't quite say who I'm rooting for yet between Franklin and Hamill. Franklin definitely has more experience and I haven't seen Hamill in the ring recently. He could very well have improved his game. I don't think walking around heavier necessarily means it will be second nature for Franklin to fight with all that weight. I watched the countdown with Anderson Silva and he said fighting with extra weight is quite different...I'll admit I'm slightly sided with Franklin though, just by past performances. Hands down, Henderson better own this fight 110%! He needs to. I don't think Palhares has fought anyone in the same class as Henderson. It should be overwhelming. As for Kampmann and Marquardt, I think Marquardt will do well in this match. I was pretty impressed with him for endearing almost the whole round against Anderson Silva and he's been pretty entertaining in the last few fights as well. By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #10 September 5, 2008 Quote Rashad might pull a Matt Serra for all we know. Matt Serra is still way better than GSP will ever be. You think he got his ass kicked on their 2nd match up but Serra was setting GSP up for the re-rematch. GSP will think nothing of him and he'll upset him again. Quote By the way...I got to touch Arianny today so pleasant dreams for me! Who the fuck is arianny?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude89 0 #11 September 5, 2008 Arianne would be the ring girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #12 September 6, 2008 I have to wonder if some of you even watch the fights. Wow. Even without getting into who 'should' have won, why, and how, you have to acknowledge results. Evans has never lost a fight. It's the same reason you still can not safely bet against the Patriots. Until someone TRULY proves that he can be beaten, everyone needs to shut the fuck up. Did I mention that Evans has never lost a fight? Dana stated at the end of the following season of TUF that there had only been only one fighter that he had underestimated - Evans. Have we learned nothing from his mistake? But yeah, I voted for the Iceman too. Hey - my son loves him.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #13 September 6, 2008 Oh damn...I'm being chastised about my analysis from a guy who voted based on the fighter his kid "loves". ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude89 0 #14 September 6, 2008 LOl rashad evans couldnt even fight with tito, and chuck made tito look like a wimp. so if your betting for rashad u just lost some cash.The only thing impressive evans has ever did was that legg kick to shawn salmon and he was a no body.So tonight will be rashad's first loss by KO from chuck liddell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #15 September 7, 2008 I have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #16 September 7, 2008 WTF was that all about?!!?!? After running away during the first round, he managed to pull a Matt Serra after all? Chuck was out cold...for a moment I think the crowd was stunned silent. I sure as hell was. Retirement or he needs to change his fighting style...people are beginning to pick it apart. Talk about disappointing after all the other 3 predictions were accurate. By the way, I ran into Karo Parisyan outside the Arena. He was on crutches. I was wondering why his match was canceled...man, he's hot! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #17 September 7, 2008 I FNG told you so! Against everything that we all know as holy and was supposed to happen, Evans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? C'mon. Lets think about this. At what point does everyone admit that the guy may not know how to fight, but he certainly knows how to win fights. Evans is on a long list of guys/gals/teams that somehow, someway, always end up winning. DThe brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #18 September 7, 2008 His time will come. He just got bumped up the ladder and playing in the big league now. He may be undefeated but I'm still not impress with him as a fighter. And until he can show that he knows how to fight...I'll still root against his ass! ~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #19 September 7, 2008 Let's go back to chuck 1st RECENT loss; Rampage. Chuck; "why change the thing (style ) that got me where I am today?" ...talking about how he prepared for rampage. Me(to the tv): Uhh, Because everyone has seen a hundred hours of your style...and ramapage beat your ass already. when half of your career losses are within the last four matches you may need to retire since he's to proud and stupid to evolve. All you need is a good right to the (left side of his ) chin. I don't Think Rashad is that good. He DID land a good shot but I don't think he is top caliber, yet. The only seasoned veterans he has faced were Tito (discussed above) and Chuck. Half of his fights were weak and went to decision. QuoteEvans found a way to win. If he does it once or twice sure, its a fluke or luck. But 17 times? Deisel, He did only did this once, so far. Letting the judges decide who wins is not a strong victory. I'dsay this is his 2nd fight where he was the underdog. Tito and Chuck. Even in the series when he fought Brad IMes I wouldn't say he was an underdog. Brad was sloppy and new IIRC. Rashad was shorter and new. that was the whole hype. I won't tak ethis fight away from Evans. He did what he wanted to do and it wasn't a lucky shot. But Until he faces and beat more top tier fighters I won't say he's good enough to be there.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #20 September 7, 2008 oh yea, and what the fuck is with him playing with his nipples during the announcement?My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chinagirl 0 #21 September 7, 2008 I know! He was totally weird! It wasn't just the nipples...he literally crawled into the Octagon and the whole time was "monkeying" around. I don't know if that was televised or not but I was wondering what that boy was on. Nonetheless, good for him. It's time for him to prove himself. Btw, I was pretty amused to see Keith Jardine by his side. Wonder if he got any advice from The Mean himself...?~Built for Abuse www.skydivethefarm.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #22 September 7, 2008 I didn't see Jardine. He was with Rashad? The advise I'd give would be Don't play chucks game, make him come to you.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeregrineFalcon 0 #23 September 7, 2008 QuoteI have never seen chuck owned like that before. Retirement should be knocking on his door. The announcer said, "We have not seen the last of Chuck Liddel!" If he's right, that would be a shame. The man got his ass kicked in three of his last four fights and was knocked out by Evans for what seemed like three minutes and was on queer street for another 10 minutes after that. Chuck...retire. No honor lost in that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #24 September 7, 2008 I missed the fight but I've read the commentary on how rashad made it happen, he game in with the perfect game plan. 99 times out of 100 Rashad is not the better striker, but he put together a strategy that worked against Chuck's gameplan which anyone who has watched his fights can write a book about. I don't fuckin like Rashad, but he was the better fighter that day, so congrats to him on the win. Don't forget Rashad had Jardine helping him put together a gameplan, Jardine fought a great fight against Chuck because he had the better strategy, Rashad pulled the wool over Chuck's eye's and made him pay. Chuck is beginning to become like Tito, his strategy is easily predictable and people who may very well be lesser fighters are beating him on strategy. He needs to change some things up. He can stay at the top, just not the way he used to. As for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #25 September 7, 2008 QuoteAs for him being undefeated, bullshit, he lost to Tito, Chuck was ringside and is a well-known Tito hater and even Chuck said Evans lost. And we all know what chuck says is law... Oh wait that's Chuck Norris. LIddell has been exposed. While I agree with you (and Chuck) about the tito fight, Evans is still undefeated.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
