Slow openings?

[teason 0]

Can't tell you why on your gear it feels the same. Bag design, relaxed stoes (as opposed to those who tighten the snot out of them), pilotchute size and condition...

I'm guessing you probably got new gear. that could affect three of those factors.

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[johnny1488 1]

Stows arent relaxed I double stow ever stow.

I just dont think it makes enough difference to ever be noticed. Making tighter stows are not a way to slow down openings.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[rhys 0]

WHY?

just open higher! and enjoy a soft opening.

if you are doing big ways where you have to deploy at 2500' or so then get a different canopy or slider. you are a senior rigger(according to you profile) you should know this?

relying on a packing method to speed up an opening is not reliable enough when you are opening next to the hard deck.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[teason 0]

well then, how about bag design? There are three that I can think of.
How about PC size and condition?

There are other ways beyond stoes to slow an opening, stoe are just one of them.

On my gear, if it was packed with small stoes, I got cracker jack opening. Big, super tight line stoes gave my a nice soft one.
I recently switched to a speed bag and now I only single stoe my lines.

Soft everytime!

remember "no one raindrop thinks it is to blame for the flood"

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[johnny1488 1]

yes there are other ways to slow down openings, but I dont think stows are one of them. Same canopy same pilot chute same bag no stows same opening.

If there is that much of a difference in your openings there is something else going on with your gear.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[mjosparky 4]

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you are a senior rigger(according to you profile) you should know this?

Yes, I am a rigger. And the way I became a rigger was by asking questions and trying to learn as much as I could about parachutes. Even a good rigger doesn't have all the answers, but he/she usually knows where to look for them. And is willing to make the effort to look.

I have very little experience with a Spectre and thought it would be a good idea to tap into the experience and knowledge available on DZ.com.

FYI: its not my canopy, it belongs to a customer.

Sparky

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[rhys 0]

I wasn't trying to wind you up.

To answer the question, the reason for the need of a slower opening would be required.

Maybe they are used to other PD canopies that do not snivel at all and think a hard opening is normal.

When I got my crossfire I was used to a heatwave so the snivel made my heart go. Now I love it and realise the heatwave just opened like crap.

spectres are very good canopies for openings so maybe it is thier mind not the canopy that needs to be changed?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[isaiah85 0]

As far as speeding up the Spectre opening, some of the things I've heard, like don't take tight stows and don't quarter the slider are very dangerous. People have been seriously hurt doing these things (not usually on purpose). The only thing your going to accomplish doing this is either out of sequence deployment or bottom skin inflation. I would suggest, check out the pilot chute to make sure it's big enough and in good condition, pull at little bit higher or consider the smaller slider; Personally, I'm not a big fan of going with the smaller slider though.

Later,
Isaiah

[isaiah85 0]

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yes there are other ways to slow down openings, but I dont think stows are one of them. Same canopy same pilot chute same bag no stows same opening.

If there is that much of a difference in your openings there is something else going on with your gear.

I agree with Johnny, sort of, If your getting out of sequence deployment tighter stows will make the opening more comfortable. But, if that’s not your problem it won't help, tight stows don't slow the bag down; just make sure it all comes off in proper sequence. The reason it's important to take tight stows is because, when the bag explodes off you back, the weight of the line (between the stow) is pulling on the stow, if it's loose it'll pull out. The reason other systems work with out stows is because the line still comes out in proper sequence. The reason they are not more popular as far as main bags go is because they are not as idiot proof. When packed properly they work really well, but it's easier to pack them wrong. As far as the "coil of death" I would let Johnny pack like that for me, only because I know how he packs, as far as recommending it for anyone else it's probably a really bad idea (more room for problems)

Later,
Isaiah

[skydiverek 63]

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PD said they do not have a smaller slider for the Spectre 170. So no exchange. I am going to try and buy the next smaller size they have which is 20" x 31". The one on it now is 30" x 23". What size were you jumping and what size slider did you go to?

I have few questions:

1. What is the slider size on Spectre 190? I bought a used one, so I don't know if the slider is original.

2. By rolling the nose, do you mean rolling all 7 cells in one motion, or rolling three cells towards the center cell, and then rolling three other cells also towards the center cell?

[EdW 0]

Folding the slider in half (by taking the quarter that you would pull toward you and folding it back toward the other half, i.e., the tail) was suggested to me, and it works pretty well. (When I got rid of my old Monarch, for which you had to put about five rolls in each half of the nose, and got a Pilot, I found that the openings were unbelievably slow.) I think once you've slowed the opening down enough to be comfortable in any situation, anything slower is just wasting altitude.