Hip Dysplasia

[mnealtx 0]

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Let's be honest here. He's got a 1 yr. old child with a serious mobility problem. He's talking about dropping thousands to possibly solve the problem.
Let's hope that, as a Dr, you'll advise with common sense trumping emotion. Unless, of course, part of your job is to get as much money as possible from the customer.
I've seen people drop thousands on an child in the last couple of years of its life. It's not about the childat all, it's about the persons' emotional attachment to that child.

I say, if they truly loved that child, they'd set it free from its pain and misery, instead of spending two years changing ...diapers.....I think the Spartans had it right.

edited for proper perspective...those who believe there is a difference haven't been around the world enough times.

all that matters is what you are willing to do for those you care about... nothing else is important at all..

"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy", hmm?

Mike
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[BerryBoy 0]

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I wish i could just be cold and put them both down, get two new dogs and never think of them again.... but i cant.

I haven't read through everything here yet, but I have a wonderful dog and would hate to be put into this decision like you are now. The statement you said earlier (quoted above) shows that you have genuine feelings and sympathy for your dogs...so I'm confident that whatever decision you make will be the right one. That said, with almost 100 grand in school bills, I could not afford to pay that much on my companion...even though I love her as much as I do. Remember, she is an animal and we are humans. No matter how much it hurts, I strongly believe that the human should come first in most cases like this, unless you can reasonably afford it. You could live for 100 years and your dog may only live to be 15...those bills may last for 20 years!

Another thought may be to keep your dogs at least until they are of the verge of pain. Meanwhile, you could be scouring the Internet for alternative options. Perhaps there is a family that may read your story on a forum out there that would assist? You never know until you try...

I wish you the very best in your situation. I know you'll do the right thing...

[bigway 4]

I am just trying to have a fight with the RSPCA national headquaters at the moment in a last ditch effort to get out of paying the entire bill on my own.. If this fails i will have to pay as i am having the op done on her one leg next week.


So far the RSPCA shelter manager is looking into all their options as they can see that they are kind of liable. First because they dont want people to put down their dogs and second because they guaranteed a full vet check before adoption. On top of that we also took her to the rspca vet two months after adopting them and saking if they could tell us why she walks funny, They just blew it off when the right proccedure for them when someone mentions this about a labrador is to have some xrays done. Because of their neglect we are in a worse position than we could have been if detected it back then. Would have been alot more simple for the op.

We are also finding out that some things that are of concern... Even though the TPO has to happen before she is 12 months old , she is 10 months old now and they think their is a chance that we are even too late for this surgery... On top of that what really worries me is that they say seeing her leg is so bad that it may be an idea to leave her leg and operate on the other dogs leg who is not showing any signs of pain.


This whole thing is going around in circles so right now i am just waiting for the RSPCA to tell me what the deal is they want to do, They told me that their could be options.

Anyway, when it rains is really bukets down, I have other concerns just come in over the past week to the tune of around $10,000 for my own personal health.

This just gets more and more fun this fantastic life we all live. Why we are on this planet and fucking it up with pollution and constantly having to worry about money i will never know. The purpose of life i think is to 'practically' answer some 'gods' questions while he experiments with us all.
Why can't life be more like those 'pick-a-path' books i use to read as a child?

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[ladyskydiver 0]

Good luck dealing with the RSPCA. I hope they help you foot the bill - if not pay for it all.

And good luck to you with your new issue that developed.

Many hugs to you and your furry little ones.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[Zenister 0]

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Let's be honest here. He's got a 1 yr. old child with a serious mobility problem. He's talking about dropping thousands to possibly solve the problem.
Let's hope that, as a Dr, you'll advise with common sense trumping emotion. Unless, of course, part of your job is to get as much money as possible from the customer.
I've seen people drop thousands on an child in the last couple of years of its life. It's not about the childat all, it's about the persons' emotional attachment to that child.

I say, if they truly loved that child, they'd set it free from its pain and misery, instead of spending two years changing ...diapers.....I think the Spartans had it right.

edited for proper perspective...those who believe there is a difference haven't been around the world enough times.

all that matters is what you are willing to do for those you care about... nothing else is important at all..

"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy", hmm?

if you care about them absolutely.. if you dont absolutely as well..

YOUR rat doesnt mean anything more to me than your boy does..nor any less

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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

[Nightingale 0]

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I wish i could just be cold and put them both down, get two new dogs and never think of them again.... but i cant.

I haven't read through everything here yet, but I have a wonderful dog and would hate to be put into this decision like you are now. The statement you said earlier (quoted above) shows that you have genuine feelings and sympathy for your dogs...so I'm confident that whatever decision you make will be the right one. That said, with almost 100 grand in school bills, I could not afford to pay that much on my companion...even though I love her as much as I do. Remember, she is an animal and we are humans. No matter how much it hurts, I strongly believe that the human should come first in most cases like this, unless you can reasonably afford it. You could live for 100 years and your dog may only live to be 15...those bills may last for 20 years!

Pet Health Insurance

A little bit every month is a whole lot easier than a big bill all at once, especially if you don't have savings to take care of vet bills. My dog and cat are insured and will be until I've got some savings put aside in case they have an emergency or illness.

[bigway 4]

Pet insurance can not help dogs that are born with hip dysplasia. It is irrelevant.

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Pet insurance can not help dogs that are born with hip dysplasia. It is irrelevant.

Not to you, but it's relevant to the guy I replied to, because his dog doesn't have hip dysplasia, but he couldn't afford to pay out that much for vet bills if his dog had another condition.

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Pet insurance can not help dogs that are born with hip dysplasia. It is irrelevant.

If you lived here in the USA this insurance covers it. But you would have had to get the insurance before you knew that the dogs had hip dysplasia.

http://petinsurance.com/

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[bigway 4]

Here is a xray of her hip.

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[bigway 4]

Exactly, It does not cover pre-existing conditions. When a dog is born with hip dysplasia it is pre-existing.

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[flyangel2 2]

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Exactly, It does not cover pre-existing conditions. When a dog is born with hip dysplasia it is pre-existing.

The key is when did you know there were problems with the hips? Did you know when you first got the dog? If you didn't, and got the insurance, the hips would be covered.

Pre-existing doesn't mean "born with hip dysplasia". This insurance would have covered the vet bills.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[bigway 4]

that is not actually fully correct.

in a way it is correct, however if it is as bad as it is any vet is going to say it is an old injury that showed signs of it long before we got the insuarance as to any dog owner would have noticed that she is lame.
Sure, i can plead dumb on this but that could only get me so far.

She has been walking funny all her life so insurance will not cover this. Especially with this case being so severe, ignorance is not something the insurance company will pay out for.

I know this because i have had a lawyer go over my policy and have had a sit down with the national wide shelter manager of the RSPCA with my lawyer just yesterday.

No vet that i have seen will also sign the paper work saying that this is to be covered by insurance because it is not a new injury and it should have been treated months ago.


What you are saying is technically correct but not as simple as it sounds or black and white when dealing with hip dysplasia. Sure we can say that we did not know it had hip dysplasia when taking out the insurance but the problem is that we should have known.

Hip Dysplasia can nto be covered by many insurance companies and it is covered by some but it is a very fine line and gives the insurrer hundreds of way to get out of paying for it because of the nature of the condition.

Trust me, I have taken this as far as it could possibly be taken and to be honest i am happy to accept the denial of payout for this after my findings.

What it comes down to is we knew something was wrong with the dog when we got insurance but we were not told so by a vet, we just guessed it. Of course i did not tell thaem that but they can get out of it by saying that she has had this severe alot longer than we have had the insurance.

On the other hand, i showed them my other dog and told them i had concerns about him and they said there is nothing by feel so get the insurance for him.... The fucked up thing is that again they did not reccomend an x-ray like they should have.

We asked why they did not suggest an x-ray last time we bought tilly in with concerns and their answer was 'if you have concerns you should push for those things and ask for an x-ray. I told her that I am not a vet and that is what your job would be.


Anywaya, what is done is done and i only want to look forward now as the past is not something i can change and i still need to resolve my dogs hip problem.

Thanks for your advise, you are correct but there is so many ways for them to get out of this.

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[flyangel2 2]

I'm not saying "cheat" the insurance company. What I'm saying is that if you didn't know the puppy had problems, got the insurance, then found out about the problems, the insurance would cover.


I know this because I called the rep from the insurance company that came into the clinic I work at, and explained how it all works. The rep said that the insurance would cover the cost.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

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What I'm saying is that if you didn't know the puppy had problems, got the insurance, then found out about the problems, the insurance would cover.

The above is our position but we are not covered. The reason being is because we SHOULD have known. We should have taken her to the vet already.

We got the insurance about a month ago, The dog has had sever hip dysplasia for at least 4 months according to the vets we have seen. Because of this it is a pre existing condition. This is why we are not covered. We only got told by a vet she had hip dysplasia about 2 weeks ago.

I am not arguing with you at all, I am just saying that the nature of the illness gives the insuarance companies alot of ways to get out of paying this. As we all know insurance companies do what they can to find a way to get out of paying out.

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What I'm saying is that if you didn't know the puppy had problems, got the insurance, then found out about the problems, the insurance would cover.

The above is our position but we are not covered. The reason being is because we SHOULD have known. We should have taken her to the vet already.

We got the insurance about a month ago, The dog has had sever hip dysplasia for at least 4 months according to the vets we have seen. Because of this it is a pre existing condition. This is why we are not covered. We only got told by a vet she had hip dysplasia about 2 weeks ago.

I am not arguing with you at all, I am just saying that the nature of the illness gives the insuarance companies alot of ways to get out of paying this. As we all know insurance companies do what they can to find a way to get out of paying out.

Given the above, isn't there ANYTHING the insurance company will do? Perhaps you SHOULD have known there was a problem based on how she walked but since you're not a vet, how would you know!

Even though they said she has had it for 4 months, they didn't examine her 4 months ago. That's just taking a SWAG! Without proof from 4 months ago (and WITH proof from 2 weeks ago) how can they NOT honour your insurance.

Oh right, it's an INSURANCE company. They can do whatever they want.

I hope this all works out for you, Bigway. You love your "kids".

Scratches to you all!

'Shell

[bigway 4]

I just came into a shit load of money yesterday so have enough to cover the first operation if the specialist says we can go ahead with the TPO. If we can't then we have to medically manage her until she is old enough for a THR, otherwise we have to consider cutting her leg off.

Either way, we can afford what ever comes our way and find out next week what options we have left.


Yeah, i know, we should be covered but we are not and i dont really want to continue thinkig we should be or i am just going to end up fighting it and losing focus of what is actually important for my dog.

I am just going to pay what needs to be paid.

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[Shell666 0]

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I just came into a shit load of money yesterday so have enough to cover the first operation if the specialist says we can go ahead with the TPO. If we can't then we have to medically manage her until she is old enough for a THR, otherwise we have to consider cutting her leg off.

Either way, we can afford what ever comes our way and find out next week what options we have left.


Yeah, i know, we should be covered but we are not and i dont really want to continue thinkig we should be or i am just going to end up fighting it and losing focus of what is actually important for my dog.

I am just going to pay what needs to be paid.

I'm SO glad that you can take care of this without any major worries (I hope!)! That's really good news.

But, I'd still try and see if you can get it covered. Might be a long battle and might not work out in your favour. But it might. Given what you said about getting the insurance a month ago and having a vet confirm 2 weeks ago that she had this condition ...

Take care of her first and then deal with the paperwork later.

Scratches to you all again. Keep us posted on how things are going. She's part of the family now!
I hope it all goes well.

'Shell

[ladyskydiver 0]

Hey, Bigway! Hope you and the little ones are doing well. Please keep us updated on how the surgery goes.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[bigway 4]

Well we went to the specialist today and were told it is too late for the TPO to be done. Apparently she is in alot of pain and we need to wait until she is fully grown, another few months. In the meantime we have to pay a fortune on Physio and then later will do the THR for about $5500.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

Poor girl is in more pain that i ever thought.

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[ladyskydiver 0]

I'm sorry to hear that, Bigway. Poor little one....

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

[bigway 4]

Ok so THR came out, TPO has just came out after 6 weeks. Total has now been 9 weeks. JUst dropped the dog off again today and signed a form sayying that he will try a revision or use his judgement for amputation. Looks like we will be amputating.

Either way this sucks!

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[Shell666 0]

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Ok so THR came out, TPO has just came out after 6 weeks. Total has now been 9 weeks. JUst dropped the dog off again today and signed a form sayying that he will try a revision or use his judgement for amputation. Looks like we will be amputating.

Either way this sucks!

Bigway, my thoughts are with you and your pup.

Hugs to both of you.

'Shell

[bigway 4]

Thanks Shell.

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[porpoishead 8]

sup bud, sucks to hear about your puppys situation.

i have had several dogs since i was a kid and I loved them all very very much. it is a very sad day when you have to put one of your pooches down, or when they die.

very sad.

I have a huge heart when it comes to dogs, but I don't think I would spend 20k on a puppy with hip displasia. i would let the dog be until it couldnt get around, then I would put it down with a good heart.

natural selection would probably have left these animals rejected to die in the wild. our sentimental hearts as humans are a blessing and a curse all the same.

I have a very deep sentimental attachment to my current dog, love him more than all the others before him. gonna be a very sad day in my life when he checks out. hope I never have to balance the scales between my dog and a pile of money. because although I couldnt give a flying fuck about a pile of money, it kinda dictates my livelihood, and that of the ones that count on me. would be a very tough decision but in the end I would carry on with a good heart.

much respect to you bro, whatever decision you've made. and much love to your puppies.

if you want a friend feed any animal
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