divnswoop 0 #26 January 12, 2006 QuoteHere is the link to the video Superman32 was talking about http://www.performancedesigns.com/canopyinfo.asp. Hover your mouse over the image to show play options. Also, pumping the toggles/risers isn't nearly as efficient as simply pulling them down a few inches and holding them for a few seconds So you know this to be true with ALL canopies? Including a Safire that ISN'T made by PD? HOw many jumps do you have on a safire at a similar wing loading out of curiosity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #27 January 12, 2006 QuoteAlso, pumping the toggles/risers isn't nearly as efficient as simply pulling them down a few inches and holding them for a few seconds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you know this to be true with ALL canopies? Including a Safire that ISN'T made by PD? HOw many jumps do you have on a safire at a similar wing loading out of curiosity? I think the better question is who gives a fuck about how efficeintly you can inflate your end cells? Are you trying to keep your airspeed up during end cell inflation? Maybe I'm missing something. How about zipping up your jumpsuit, I feel like I may be using too much energy to make that happen. What can I do abot that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #28 January 12, 2006 Well Dave, I can't say that thought didn't cross my mind.... but I guess I was trying to avoid a discussion with a student who read on DZ.com that I taught him the wrong way to inflate his end-cells. Students read these forums and take a blanket statement like that to be the truth in ALL cases. I agree that yes it might help one person in one case, or it might be "more efficient?" in one scenario, but I know that "a couple inches" won't open every canopy.(especially large lightly loaded canopies) I guess IMO that there is too much being made of such a minor problem. There are people out there jumping Sabre I's that would LOVE to have end-cell closure. We all should have learned our first day that we should kick out of line twists......grab toggles and inflate end cells/ bring the slider down. I don't see the need to change the pack job and risk the chance of a hard opening or alter the way we wear the gear for something this minor........ pssss Dave.... I noticed that your my little voice in my head when I'm reading some of these posts in Safety, gear, and swooping. I just for some reason keep him in my closet and not let him post! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudi 0 #29 January 13, 2006 Yikes, you're a little touchy, huh? I apologize for giving the impression that I was disputing your technique. Just going with what I have been taught. Pump away, brother. No I haven't jumped a Safire, so I didn't realize there was a difference in how one canopy functions compared to another in regards to allowing the end cells to inflate. My bad. Nothing wrong with pumping, I guess...scurrying away with tail between my legs Please accept my humble apologies. I appreciate you correcting what does come across as a "blanket statement," even though it wasn't intended. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #30 January 13, 2006 Sorry Kim, I've been a little testy lately. I've had several cases in the past few weeks where I found a student doing something and when I asked why, they replied, I read it on DZ.com. And I have had a couple come to me saying they saw that I taught them something "wrong" in the first jump course after reading something in these threads. There are things that students should do and then those procedures might change with the changing of gear and experience. But with the way some advise comes across to a student in these threads it can cause a lot of doubt in his instructor/DZ when it is something different than what he learned. What he learned at the DZ is right and proper for their experience and what is posted here might be right for the person asking the question. But sometimes they aren't right for both. I realize this place is hear to ask questions and learn. Hell I learn something everytime I'm on here. I'm just a "little" upset because I have a student that is scared to jump with a cypres now........ worried it is going to kill him. So once again, I apologize. You received some displaced anger, but I still have to say watch giving advice like this...Your not wrong in this case with your gear, but it doesn't apply to everybody... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudi 0 #31 January 14, 2006 No worries Shawn. I forget sometimes that not everyone does what they should with advice or information they find on this website: CHECK WITH YOUR INSTRUCTOR. YOUR INSTRUCTOR IS ALWAYS RIGHT, regardless of what you read on DZ.com. I'm so used to providing info, via email and telephone, from PD, about PD stuff, that when I log onto DZ.com, I sometimes have the illusion that I know something. I know a little about alot, but I need to check myself when it comes to dispensing advice outside of that. One thing I do know is the more I'm in this sport the more I realize what I have to learn. That's one of the things that makes it special and keeps it interesting. Thanks for the reality check. Kim Watch as I attempt, with no slight of hand, to apply logic and reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
