Eyesight issues (this is kinda freaking me out!)

[airtwardo 7]

starting to go through that crap now.... Stuff within about a foot is blurry...

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Maybe 'bout time to start rollin' 'em a bit thinner eh?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mnealtx 0]

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starting to go through that crap now.... Stuff within about a foot is blurry...

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Maybe 'bout time to start rollin' 'em a bit thinner eh?

"No thank you please, it only makes me sneeze...and then it makes it hard to find the door"

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[christelsabine 1]

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starting to go through that crap now.... Stuff within about a foot is blurry...

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Maybe 'bout time to start rollin' 'em a bit thinner eh?

Don't make them sweat.

It's just a question of age, that's all. One needs glasses with the thickness of a coke bottle bottom, easy as that. Nothing serious.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[airtwardo 7]

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starting to go through that crap now.... Stuff within about a foot is blurry...

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Maybe 'bout time to start rollin' 'em a bit thinner eh?

"No thank you please, it only makes me sneeze...and then it makes it hard to find the door"

Yeah...me too.

STILL tryin' to figure out when THAT happened!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[peregrinerose 0]

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I strongly urge any of you with glasses to read the information at http://www.iblindness.org. It's a completely free site, with a community message board. Read up on what glasses really do to your eyes, and discover a way to regain most, if not all of your natural eyesight.

I was very skeptical at first, but in order to secure my contract to BUD/S back in 06, I had to improve my unaided sight somehow. With the techniques on the site, I was able to improve my eyesight from 20/95 in both eyes, to 20/35 in both eyes. I also have my eyes occasionally register 20/20 throughout the day.

Don't get glasses. They only make your eyesight worse, which is why you need to keep going back every year or so, and get a stronger prescription.

LOL!! I love these bogus web sites and things like 'See Clearly Method'

Eyes and glasses is a physics issue, not an eye exercise issue. The eye is a series of lenses (tear film, cornea, anterior chamber, lens) that focus on a point (ideally the retina). If that focus point is in front of the retina, you are nearsighted, if behind the retina, you are farsighted.

There is nothing you can do to change the size, shape, and refractive properties of the eye through exercises... try all you want to, it won't hurt. You DO get better blur interpretation (meaning you get used to seeing fuzzy objects and get a little quicker about determining what that fuzzy object is). But if you check your actual glasses Rx before doing Bates Method and after doing Bates method, it's the same.

Rx is NOT the same as 20/whatever. The 20/whatever number is just what line you read on the chart. The Rx is a physics measurement based on the properties of the eye.

The only thing I strongly recommend NOT to do is the eyeball massage thingy. Think about it... glaucoma is high pressure in the eye. When you digitally massage your eye, you raise the pressure in the eye. This truly can damage the eye by squashing the blood vessels that feed the optic nerve during that time. The rest of the stuff won't hurt you, but won't help either.

Edited to add: Wearing glasses, not wearing glasses, wearing the wrong glasses, old glasses, or somebody elses glasses entirely will not change your prescription in any way as glasses can not change the refractive properties of an eye.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[drdive 0]

I am glad you stepped in here about the eye exercise stuff. After my smart ass comments last night, (after quite a bit of wine, may I add) I didn't really want to comment on the eye exercise myths.

Doc

"We saved your gear. Now you can sell it when you get out of the hospital and upsize!!" "K-Dub"

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[peregrinerose 0]

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I am glad you stepped in here about the eye exercise stuff. After my smart ass comments last night, (after quite a bit of wine, may I add) I didn't really want to comment on the eye exercise myths.

Doc

No problem. I liked your smart ass comments though, maybe a little wine before posting here isn't a bad thing? I should try it sometime!

Just to clarify my Bates bashing post....There are some eye 'exercises' that do good, (neuro optometric rehab, eccentric viewing training, some forms of vision therapy), but they all work on the vision/brain interaction, much like physical, auditory, speech, or occupational therapy works on brain/various body part interactions. Similar mechanisms there. But Bates has been known to be hooey from it's inception. Too bad. If there was a way to get rid of my -5.50 Rx with a few exercises, I'd do it. But I'm a busy lady (I use the term 'lady' loosely) and have better things to waste my time on

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

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But Bates has been known to be hooey from it's inception. Too bad. If there was a way to get rid of my -5.50 Rx with a few exercises, I'd do it. But I'm a busy lady (I use the term 'lady' loosely) and have better things to waste my time on [Smile] Like post on DZ.com for example [Angelic]

For what it's worth...I find it reassuring to know that one can have such a deficit and still be able to jump.

Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself -

"from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

[peregrinerose 0]

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But Bates has been known to be hooey from it's inception. Too bad. If there was a way to get rid of my -5.50 Rx with a few exercises, I'd do it. But I'm a busy lady (I use the term 'lady' loosely) and have better things to waste my time on [Smile] Like post on DZ.com for example [Angelic]

For what it's worth...I find it reassuring to know that one can have such a deficit and still be able to jump.

What's a few deficits among friends, eh?

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[aresye 0]

So if it's impossible to change my Rx, would you like to share on how, after doing the exercises for 3 months, my eyesight went from 20/90, to 20/35? Or, to clarify, my Rx went from -1.25 to -.75 if I recall correctly.

Sometime this month I'm going back to the DMV to get the restriction taken off my license.

I'm sorry, but it just seems a little off how a person with a -5.50 Rx, is trying to say how eyesight is impossible to fix, or that it's just bad luck, or bad habits.

It's impossible to deal with the skeptics. Even I was one myself with the Bates' method. After seeing amazing improvements in my own eyesight, and witnessing countless others getting theirs down from 20/400+ to 20/100 or better, I've found the evidence I need for myself.

If glasses don't make your eyesight worse, then why are your eyes at -5.50? I'm sure you didn't start there. I'm sure about every year or more you had to go back to get a stronger prescription.

Say what you want about the exercises. I do them for 15min a day, and it keeps me from having to wear them. It isn't some horrible routine I put myself through every night.

*Just to add as well, there are a lot of bogus websites out there. A lot of them state they are all about the Bates' method, and then sell incredibly expensive kits. The website I provided is all information, and an active forum. There's nothing to buy, and nobody's trying to scam you.

Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

[Squeak 17]

you need a few lessons in anatomy and physiology, before you start sprouting off.

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[mnealtx 0]

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So if it's impossible to change my Rx, would you like to share on how, after doing the exercises for 3 months, my eyesight went from 20/90, to 20/35? Or, to clarify, my Rx went from -1.25 to -.75 if I recall correctly.

You were so busy training up for BUD/S that you didn't have time to spank the ?

Care to explain how my oldest daughter's vision improved from a 12 diopter to 6 with glasses? Or how my youngest daughter's improved from a 2 diopter to a .5 with glasses?

If the glasses CAUSE your eyesight to get worse, how was that possible?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[ryoder 1,590]

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You DO get better blur interpretation (meaning you get used to seeing fuzzy objects and get a little quicker about determining what that fuzzy object is).

So that's how beer goggles work!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[peregrinerose 0]

First, a change in visual acuity means nothing. Visual acuity is what line you read on the chart. If you go without your glasses, you get better at determining what a blurry image is, that's it. Your guessing skills get better.

A 0.5D change is essentially nothing with regard to prescriptions.

Like I said before, it won't hurt you (unless you are doing digital massage of the eyeball), so it doesn't matter to me if you do the exercises or not. But spouting mis-information as though it is fact is scary.

Educate yourself about the eye and how it works. It's a PHYSICS system, not a MUSCLE system. You can't change physics with exercises. Sorry.

Edited to add... a 1.25 Rx correlates with a 20/30 to 20/50 visual acuity. There isn't even a 20/90 line on a standard eye chart, but even if there was, you really haven't gained anything at all. A -0.75 correlates with 20/25-20/40 most of the time. Visual acuity with a given Rx depends on pupil size, lighting, time of day, and a few other things, but the general ranges generally hold (in the absense of ocular disease). So you really have gained nothing at all other than better guess skills. I'm sorry this probably irritates and or dissapoints you, but it really bothers me to see blatant falsehoods distributed as fact when it comes to health care.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[peregrinerose 0]

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So if it's impossible to change my Rx, would you like to share on how, after doing the exercises for 3 months, my eyesight went from 20/90, to 20/35? Or, to clarify, my Rx went from -1.25 to -.75 if I recall correctly.

You were so busy training up for BUD/S that you didn't have time to spank the ?

Care to explain how my oldest daughter's vision improved from a 12 diopter to 6 with glasses? Or how my youngest daughter's improved from a 2 diopter to a .5 with glasses?

If the glasses CAUSE your eyesight to get worse, how was that possible?

Sorry, I have to nip this one in the bud too... glasses didn't change their prescriptions either. As kids grow, the eyes grow. That changes the physics of the system and how light bends. That's why the biggest prescription changes are during the growth spurt years, and level off in early 20s. Whether they wore glasses or not, their Rx's would have changed... that's normal. (And with those Rx's, good thing they have glasses!!)

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[aresye 0]

Well, I'm just offering my input to the OP, and if he wants to get glasses, then that's obviously his choice. I don't think he'll be very happy a few years down the line though, when he's dependant on them.

Maybe one day I'll be one of those that can finish off the last stretch, and permanently improve my eyesight. If not, as I said, I'm just wasting 15min of my day. I obviously waste more spending time in the bonfire

Also, to the OP: If you spend enough time staring at a computer screen, then your eyes aren't going to like it. If I recall it's recommended that you take a break from the screen every 20 or so minutes, and look around the room for 10-20 seconds, to give your eyes a break.

Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

[Andy9o8 2]

It never ceases to amaze me:
1. When people seek medical/legal advice in forums like this,
2. When non-doctors/non-lawyers presume to give that advice.
3. When people insist on arguing with the doctor/lawyer who actually chimes in with expert advice.
Boggles my mind.

[sartre 0]

Say, I'm having trouble deciding on my nail polish color...can anyone help me out here? I'm also thinking about starting a poll on whether I should scoop my catbox today or tomorrow.....

[skybill 22]

Hi Ralf,
Go see your Opto dude ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you like your current "Quality of life" being able to skydive regular you will do as I say!!! To skydive regular you need a good pair of (atleast one!!) eye. Injury's are so insidious!! Back in '85 'was on a 6way at Scare-us-valley hanging rear float on the twin otter. Weaver goes out the door on exit and wacks me in the eye!! "Weave, you hit me in the eye!!" "Sorry, dude!!" Well that was Sunday and Wednesday I just happened to have to have an appt. for an eye exam for my glasses. They do a pressure check SOP and left eye is fine but right eye is 32 mm/hg!!!!!!!!! "GLAUCOMA!!!!!"(from the trauma of the hit) Got that!! That was 23 years ago and I can still see out of both eyes because of medical intervention!! Had I "not" gone to the eye doc when I did I'd probably be wearing a patch over my right eye!! Eye drops are cheap compared to the cost of eyesight..."PRICELESS!!!!"

SCR-2034, SCS-680

III%,
Deli-out

[RALFFERS 0]

Refer to post #24.

Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself -

"from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

[RALFFERS 0]

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It never ceases to amaze me:
1. When people seek medical/legal advice in forums like this,
2. When non-doctors/non-lawyers presume to give that advice.
3. When people insist on arguing with the doctor/lawyer who actually chimes in with expert advice.
Boggles my mind.

If you look on the main page, under the bonfire link - it reads:

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Sit back, relax and vent yer angst! This is the place for non-skydiving related discussions." Politics, guns and religion and other sociological debates should be taken to the Speakers Corner please.

Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself -

"from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of

[Muenkel 0]

Hey Ralf,

Glad your eyes are OK. I've recently been diagnosed with blepharospasms. Really annoying and somewhat painful. You can google it if you don't know what they are.

Anyway, glad peregrinerose chimed in. I guess everyone here doesn't know that she is an eye doctor.

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Chris

[Andy9o8 2]

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This is the place for non-skydiving related discussions."

OK, let me see if I've got this straight:
1. I have a medical question requiring expert advice, and...
2. DZ.com's Bonfire is "the place for non-skydiving discussions", and...
3. My medical question has nothing to do with skydiving, so...
4. Therefore, Bonfire is the place to go for expert advice on my medical question.

Got it.

[peregrinerose 0]

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Hey Ralf,

Glad your eyes are OK. I've recently been diagnosed with blepharospasms. Really annoying and somewhat painful. You can google it if you don't know what they are.

Anyway, glad peregrinerose chimed in. I guess everyone here doesn't know that she is an eye doctor.

Blepharospasm is a PITA. If it's really bad, try getting more sleep, less caffeine, less stress. I have a couple of patients that swear by getting a little extra potassium (eat a banana) when theirs is bad, couldn't hurt to try that too.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[Muenkel 0]

Thanks Jen for your suggestions. I'm in a fairly early stage and I know it is highly treatable. Mine is due to the head injury which seems to be the gift that keeps on giving.

As for the 'less stress', that's a tough one for me. Stress seems to be my middle name these days, but I'm working on it.

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Chris