leroydb 0 #1 June 15, 2008 Would you as a skydiver want to know if the people you were jumping with had a disease, virus, etc that could be passed to you? I am talking about situtations where someone gets hurt and there is blood, or you have to do CPR and mouth to mouth. Some of these situtations could put you in a position to where you could catch what ever it is they have. Notwithstanding, we know you can wear medical gloves or a mouth piece for example to try to protect from certain things, but nothing is certain. So would you want to know? EDIT TO ADD: IRT: Possible Life Threatening DiseasesLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #2 June 15, 2008 If someone wanted to not make the info public, they could always tell the DZO or someone who is always at the dz, that way if they are injured the person who has the info could let first responders know not to exchange certain fluids Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #3 June 15, 2008 Quotethat way if they are injured the person who has the info could let first responders know not to exchange certain fluidsThis is pretty much the status quo nowadays. All patients are treated as if there is a possibility of contamination, here in OZ at least all 1st responders glove up regardless. So to answer the OPs Question No I would not want to know the sexual health over everyone on the DZ.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskeyboi 0 #4 June 15, 2008 What if you were the only person there and that person's life depended on how you responded? If they had a bad cold would you let them die for fear of catching it? What if it was oral herpes and mouth to mouth was required? Halitosis? Or bubonic plague? Just using hyperbole of course...still...interesting dilemma... I think most people would do what was in their power to help someone. Obviously the rules change based on the severity of the situation...we all have that line we will or won't cross... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #5 June 15, 2008 QuoteSo to answer the OPs Question No I would not want to know the sexual health over everyone on the DZ. I didnt say anything about Sexual Health. But what about something like HIV? It can be passed ways other than sexual intercourse. EDIT TO ADD: IRT: Possible Life Threatening DiseasesLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #6 June 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteSo to answer the OPs Question No I would not want to know the sexual health over everyone on the DZ. I didnt say anything about Sexual Health. But what about something like HIV? It can be passed ways other than sexual intercourse. EDIT TO ADD: IRT: Possible Life Threatening Diseases Same thing in regards the way patients are responded to. I'd be surprised if any developed nations were not doing similar in regards to personal protection for EM responders. Knowing someones status in relation to communicable illnesses could alter the way and speed that people respond to them. I'd rather not know and do my best in what ever situation I'm confronted with.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #7 June 15, 2008 Quote No I would not want to know the sexual health over everyone on the DZ. Rather just find out for yourself????? Seriously, I would prefer to know what risks I'm taking, but if I'm the most qualified responder around, we're in trouble alreadyYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 June 15, 2008 Never assume and always use universal precautions. Period. Any response in an emergency other then that and you probably don't have enough training to do anything but get in the way of first responders who know what they are doing.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #9 June 15, 2008 QuoteIRT: Possible Life Threatening Communicable Diseases As a skydiver; I would surrender my membership for the safety of others and just walk away.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #10 June 15, 2008 Agreed. ...devils advocate... do you carry PPE in your jumpsuit? (fellow jumper lands off and frumps, you land off with them and are only person to start CPR,etc) no equipment=don't bother landing with them and assisting or roll those dice???Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 June 15, 2008 Quote Agreed. ...devils advocate... do you carry PPE in your jumpsuit? (fellow jumper lands off and frumps, you land off with them and are only person to start CPR,etc) no equipment=don't bother landing with them and assisting or roll those dice??? Nope. I typically won't land off with them since I don't typically jump with a cellphone either. I would rather land right next to the main hanger, notify people to call EMS while I grab a cellphone and the proper equipment. That way I can get en route to assist properly WHILE properly directing EMS for an accurate and prompt response. Without prompt and proper response for first responders, then someone's life could be lost while you try to John Wayne it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 June 16, 2008 QuoteNever assume and always use universal precautions. Period. Any response in an emergency other then that and you probably don't have enough training to do anything but get in the way of first responders who know what they are doing. Bingo. It makes no difference if they are Skydivers or not. If you're going to be a responder, treat everyone as a risk.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #13 June 16, 2008 Yep. And anyone who's had any training in CPR or first aid should know this. These days, EVERYONE should understand about bloodborne pathogens and how to reduce the risk of contamination. If you don't know, get yourself educated ASAP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #14 June 16, 2008 Yeah, I knew I should have taken more time typing that out but I can see a timing where some jumpers would be down already - seeing from the hangar someone is off - how many people immediately call 911 for an off landing they don't see (ie disappeared behind trees) before sending people out to that location? This is also taking into account our visual acuity while in the air and without any visible movement from the person on the ground, it might be hard to tell whether they were broken/sprained/unconscious. I'm not nitpicking, but as you know in life *anything* is possible.... I know where my comfort level is (and its WAY below john wayne ) but just food for thought. A good friend of mine is a respiratory therapist, she witnessed a vehicle accident, called 911 then went to driver to assess him while gloving up - she got there - he was a beligerent drunk driver - who spit in her face...yup, you guessed it...blood Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #15 June 16, 2008 QuoteYep. And anyone who's had any training in CPR or first aid should know this. These days, EVERYONE should understand about bloodborne pathogens and how to reduce the risk of contamination. If you don't know, get yourself educated ASAP. To me as an EMT everybody has germs that I don't want and thats how we treat them. Kind and with compassion but at a safe distance with gloves and a mask on. Universal percautions is the name of the game these days. I may love you like a brother but i can't touch your body fluids to save you without the right gear on, it would suck to sit back and watch knowing that I could help but who I have my life, wife and family to take care of. I carry a jump kit with me in my car and at the DZ just incase. Joewww.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkbernstein 1 #16 June 16, 2008 It's already been said a couple of times, but I'll second (or third, or fourth) it: Universal Precautions. Assuming that anyone with a communicable disease is making all reasonable efforts not to expose anyone else to it, it's no one's business but theirs. It's your job to protect yourself.May the (relative) wind take your troubles away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #17 June 16, 2008 Agreed. And present medical / privacy laws fully support that perspective. The people with those diseases have a right to their privacy as much as the rest of us have a right to protect ourselves. Protect yourself as if everyone could kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #18 June 16, 2008 So are you saying that all responsible skydivers should jump and or carry the proper precautionary equipment? added: I found the following website with a CPR Microshield They have a package that has a small case, number of gloves and a microshield for 11 bucks. I am ordering one for my first aid kit for in my car http://www.armstrongmedical.com/index.cfm/go/product.detail/sec/4/ssec/25/fam/58 QuoteThe Microshield Plus features: CPR compatibility: does not interfere with CPR technique True mouth-to-mouth seal approx. 5" x 4.75" of face coverage 2 cm tunnel has a one-way valve and a 3M Filtrete filter Suitable for adult or child For use with adults over 40 Kg. and children 10 Kg. - 40 Kg. Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #19 June 16, 2008 Only if I am sleeping with here In all actuality I am not really afraid that I will catch a disease from even the general public. I am a Bloodborne Pathogen Instructor as well as First Aid/CPR instructor as well as EMT.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #20 June 16, 2008 (serious question) Can you explain why you are not afraid? What do you know as a Bloodborne Pathogen Instructor, First Aid/CPR instructor, and EMT that allows you to be so at ease? (/serious question)Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #21 June 16, 2008 QuoteSo are you saying that all responsible skydivers should jump and or carry the proper precautionary equipment? only rthose who expect to be 1st responders. I have a complete kit in my carYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #22 June 16, 2008 Viral load Correct route of entry Contact time In all of my research I have yet to find a case of someone contracting a disease while preforming CPR. That being said I do carry a CPR mask in my gear bag. If it is wet and not yourse don't touch it. That'll be $200 pleaseDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #23 June 16, 2008 So if someone dosent have protective equipment they shouldn't help? I think it is usually human nature to want to help others, especially those in need. I would rather everyone have or have easy access to protective equipment. At the very least, I think most people know how to or have an idea of how to do CPR. I would rather someone try to save someone, while not risking their life, than to sit idley by and do nothing. At the least find a way to call 911...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #24 June 16, 2008 I am a healthcare provider so it is a given in my profession. Honestly, the chances of catching something like that through oral secretions are pretty slim....less than 1% last time I checked - again for me it goes with the territory - so would I do it....absolutely.DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #25 June 16, 2008 QuoteSo if someone dosent have protective equipment they shouldn't help? ..there are ways and means of minimising the risks if you dont have appropriate equipment. this is one of the reasons i beleive ALL skydivers should be 1st aide trainedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
