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does anyone have any photos or literature showing a demo flag jump prior to 1999?



I'm curious: why is "prior to 1999" important to you?
The flag still has the same number of stars on it since then...
How would someone else know the date of the event from looking at a flag jump photo?

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Our demo team has been jumping a large flag (app.20 x 35) since the early 80's. I have posters done from photos, sure I have access tp many photos available from many demos. I have a 5x8 flag that I've jumped for 15 years. There's one from the mid nineties laying right here somewhere.

My guess is that any august or september issue of Parachutist reporting on fourth of july demos will have one.

I sure you can get thousands easily.
I'm old for my age.
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PM Airtwardo. He's being doing flag & pyro demos since before I was born...:P




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http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Personal_Galleries/airtwardo&image=megapow1.jpg&img=36&tt=

Interesting...I would like to hear more about this...AGAIN![:/]

This issue has come up at least once before.

I'm unaware of the facts in this case, but many years ago...(another story):ph34r:


...A sport jumper that volunteered to act as one of the flag catchers on one of our demos, was asking a lot of questions and taking pictures of the way we weigh our flags.

We were the only ones...at that time anyway, that did it much differently and in my opinion safer and in a way that makes packing, deployment, and the flag / banner presentation better...than other teams.

We don't use a hanging weight at all, but instead incorporate the weight into the leading edge of the flag.

This person also tried to get a patent on that design but from what I understand was unable to...which was probably fortunate for him.>:(

I have always been willing to assist anyone with questions on how demonstration jumps should be performed in regard to safety as the highest concern, and have not only told others how to make a flag as pictured in the link above, but I've even helped build several for 'competitors' in the demo industry.

Is this by chance another attempt to license a design already in wide use?

I not only have flag pics prior to '99, but I think we have 35-40 in inventory that were made prior to then.

And have Parachutist articles on 'how to' with a hanging weight from the '70's.

The banners pictured here are also weighted the same way...
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Personal_Galleries/airtwardo&image=LibertyLineDance.jpg&img=18&tt=










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An appropriate back-issue of Parachutist would be excellent prior art to defeat this patent application. It's published, dated, and there's no question of its provenance.

The USPTO have a history of allowing shitty patents. I'd strongly advise anyone present in the US to lodge an objection (it's free if you do it before the patent is issued*). If cobaltdan could provide the reference #, I'd be happy to help with prep of the objection.


* well, it was last time I checked.

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An appropriate back-issue of Parachutist would be excellent prior art to defeat this patent application



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I agree, and would be interested to hear exactly what the patent application is all about.

I strongly urge colboltdan to bring fourth additional information. As you mentioned, many of us here might be able to assist.










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This Brian Erler frame was USPA's calendar shot for July somewhere round about 1999. But T, I wasn't jumping in 1899. Were you?
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Heard you can't patent an idea.




Actually you can.

There are two basic types of patent available in the US, one is a design patent and the other is a utility patent. Most people when they think of patents usually will refer to the utility kind. The basic tenent for obtaining a patent is the "novelty" factor. Novelty in the patent world means new, has it been done before, if so when. New patents can be issued on old ideas if the novelty requirement is met. Example: If you can re-design a gadget with less pieces (not the same amount or more) then the novelty requirement has been met. Another way to obtain a patent is to find a new use for an existing product, if no one has come up with that use and there is no published record of it anywhere in any language in the world then a patent can be issued for the new use (process). There is a time requirement regarding the the published information although I can't remember the exact time without looking it up and tht's not possible right now. Don't want to give out missinformation.

I have a patent issued on the Catapult and had to do extensive research on the subject. It was a facinating exercise and a real eye opener, so many people have the wrong idea of what a patent is / does.

Interestingly a patented design doesn't even have to work, all it has to be is novel IE: Nobody thought of it before.

hope this answers your question.

Mick.

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Heard you can't patent an idea.




Actually you can.


Interestingly a patented design doesn't even have to work, all it has to be is novel IE: Nobody thought of it before.

hope this answers your question.

Mick.


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mick has an excellent underatanding of patents.
What he says is true, though i think that when he typed IE, he might have meant Intellectual Property (IP).
There are entire businesses that make boatloads of $$$$$$$$ by simply patenting IP with no true product.
As an example consider the company INPRO which has held R.I.M. , the manufacturer of crackberries, "hostage" in IP patent litigation.
or
how vast swaths of bacterial genomes are locked up and patented by companies just on the possible uses that may be found at a later date for these areas.

most "hi-tech" businesses take advantage of this opportunity.

many many businesses main value is their IP, whether or not they actually have a product is often immaterial.

be safe

kleggo

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What he says is true, though i think that when he typed IE, he might have meant Intellectual Property (IP).


Hi Craig,
Actually (id est) is latin for "that is" thats what I was trying to say, my mistake was to use upper case and no period between the two letters.

But you are absolutly correct in what you say about intellectual property. I just didn't bring it up as I thought I had covered enough ground, patent law is an enormous field to cover. It's good that you brought it up though, maybe people will want to learn more about this subject. One can never know too much about anything.

Mick.

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Yeah, I know all that. I was just trying to encapsulate the basic tennent of patent acqisistion without going on a long diatribe. Very interesting article though, thanks for posting a link. Obtaining a patent is much akin to obtaining a TSO authorization (without the drop testing), there is more to it than meets the eye once you get started.

Oh, I did omit the "non obvious" because I forgot about it, it has been almost ten years since I filed for a patent.

Mick.

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