Trae 1 #26 January 26, 2006 Not a good deal if it's too small and too fast. If it doesn't have an AAd and you want one the price could go up significantly. It's a buyers market out there and there are LOTS of good deals around. No need to rush . check things out at your pace. There appears to be lots you don't know about gear so spend a bit of time educating yourself ( like you're doing here) but check out the info for a while otherwise it could be a bit like the man and his donkey story. You're the one to keep happy not any potential seller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #27 January 26, 2006 I appreciate your advice. I am wondering if you can shed some light on something else I've been wondering about. Right now I'm paying only $25 a day to reant gear. I can jump my butt off and it's still just $25. In the near future I will be moving to a new city and bigger dz. I will be paying $25 per JUMP. Do you feel it makes more sense to be investing that dough in my own gear instead of renting? I will do more research and ask questions before I decide on anything, but I don't want to be throwing good money away on rental gear.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #28 January 27, 2006 QuoteI appreciate your advice. I am wondering if you can shed some light on something else I've been wondering about. Right now I'm paying only $25 a day to reant gear. I can jump my butt off and it's still just $25. In the near future I will be moving to a new city and bigger dz. I will be paying $25 per JUMP. Do you feel it makes more sense to be investing that dough in my own gear instead of renting? I was paying that sort of dough. It definitely cut down my jump numbers per day. Usually 2. With my rig, and esp once I was comfortable packing, the norm became 4. That's $100 in rentals for a day of jumping. During the 3 months it took to get my reserve, I jumped sparingly as I had already put out thousands and hated spending 20-30/jump on a rental. $1200 is a great deal if it's sized well in the container and in the canopies for you. It's probably still a good deal if it allows for a 160 or 170 in it and you need to transition. It's a poor deal if flying a 150 will scare the crap out of you and have you tentative on final. And obviously if you get hurt, you will spend much more than the extra 1800 or so it would cost to buy a packaged container+main+reserve new. $25/day is glorious. Until you're within a couple months of moving, don't take a bad rig just because it's a good price. I was close to taking an $1800 rig (with 2 years of Cypres life) but it would have put me on a falcon@1.2. Fortunately, I didn't bite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #29 January 27, 2006 If you go from 25 bux a day to 25 bux a jump, that is alot of cash. Is there some type of deal though for a full day rental? My DZ does 25 per jump, but 100 dollars for all day. In anycase, close to 50 bux a jump (jump ticket plus gear at my DZ) is what drove me to getting my own gear. Luckily, I found a fantastic deal at the time. If you can find a good deal on what you want, I would say used gear is worth the time.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshi 0 #30 January 27, 2006 QuoteMy DZ does 25 per jump, but 100 dollars for all day WHAT So if you jump, say, 4 days a month for six months that's 2400 bux in rental alone!!! WTF dude...that's extremely expensive. You can buy decent used gear for that so one would be stupid not to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #31 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteMy DZ does 25 per jump, but 100 dollars for all day WHAT So if you jump, say, 4 days a month for six months that's 2400 bux in rental alone!!! WTF dude...that's extremely expensive. You can buy decent used gear for that so one would be stupid not to. No shit, but 100 bux a day is better than 25 bux a jump if you do more than 5 jumps. I thought that would have been apparent. Buying gear is a good idea, but sometimes it may not be feasible at the moment. I was just laying options on the table.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshi 0 #32 January 27, 2006 Quote100 bux a day is better than 25 bux a day Paradox. But I know what you mean... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Red 0 #33 January 27, 2006 What made me realize I needed my own gear was the Hop & Pop jump at the end of my Student Progression. I told the DZ I wanted to use the 260 (Rental)and they told me to go talk to the Packers. Packers thought the 260 was on the current load cause someone came in and grabbed it so they told me to come back after the load and get it. Turns out another Student grabbed it and took it into the Student Room and hide it so no one else could use it on his load (which was my load). There I was on a 15min call scrambling with my Instructor to find a Rig I could jump. Was not kewl. In the end I jumped a 240 which was WAY better then the 260 but all-in-all it made me realize why I needed my own gear.Derec Davies Big_Red Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hexadecimal 0 #34 January 27, 2006 QuoteI've done very well with canopy control but am concerned about downsizing too fast. Didn't you almost hurt yourself making a low turn not too long ago? I thought you posted something about that recently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #35 January 28, 2006 ***Didn't you almost hurt yourself making a low turn not too long ago? I thought you posted something about that recently. __________________________________________________ Yes, I did make a hook turn on my second SL jump back in August. I'm not sure about "almost" hurting myself. I didn't get hurt at all (under a 195). Your concern is understandable and very much appreciated. I do have downsizing concerns and promise I will be jumping a 170 for a while before making any decisions.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #36 January 28, 2006 Find out what kind of reserve is in it, and see if you can demo a reserve that's the same kind and size. Better to make sure you're comfortable with your reserve in a non-emergency situation first, because you don't want to find out that you have trouble with it after you've had a malfunction/injury. Remember, every time you jump there's a chance that you could be landing your reserve instead of your main, so make sure it's a size you're comfortable with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #37 January 28, 2006 Fantastic advice.....I will ask my instructor about doing this...I did find out the reserve is the same size as the main (150). Thank youMrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #38 January 28, 2006 Quote Find out what kind of reserve is in it, and see if you can demo a reserve that's the same kind and size. Better to make sure you're comfortable with your reserve in a non-emergency situation first, because you don't want to find out that you have trouble with it after you've had a malfunction/injury. Don't make it so complicated! Your reserve is just another canopy, nothing more, nothing less (if its over you head).Try to not exceed manufacturers weight limit. You may barrow some 7cell F111 rig and have some jumps with that. Those are quite close to a reserve. If you are jumping with a ZP main, don't forget that a F111 canopy has a different flare and it has to flared in a different way. Practice flare and stalls up high and don't stall you F111 canopy close to ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyfox69 0 #39 January 28, 2006 You may want to check out the Aerodyne web page, they are offering a special on the seven cell Triathlon for $700, you can get a new canopy for the price of a used one.. skyfox69 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #40 January 28, 2006 Exactly. A reserve is another canopy (sometimes smaller than the main) that has different flight and flare characteristics because it's built out of a different fabric and is totally rectangular and a 7 cell. Better to learn how to fly it and land it before you HAVE to learn how to fly it and land it, when you might be injured or landing out. You may not have time to practice flaring up high, and you may be landing in less than ideal circumstances (for example, with a dislocated shoulder trying to land in a corn field). There are several places that allow people to demo their reserves for free, with good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #41 January 28, 2006 QuoteTry to not exceed manufacturers weight limit. GlidePath Flight Concepts 147 sq. ft. 145 sq. ft. Max Sup. Wt. 160 lb. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #42 January 28, 2006 in reply to "I am wondering if you can shed some light on something else I've been wondering about. " ....................... Just be a bit conscious of not basing all the decision here on money. Sure you may be spending more on rental but you get to jump a canopy(s) very suited to your experience level. You also may have the option of trying a few different types so you'll get to know what you like and what suits you. This is better than buying something and not being sure and then persisting with an unsuitable rig 'cause it's yours. It's a bit sad but people trying to sell gear often place their own financial gain over the safety of the purchaser. Another option .....Some experienced skydivers may have a second or 3rd rig that they'll let you jump at a reduced rental rate if you hunt around a bit. Just ensure both canopies are well within your experience level and abilities. Being conservative is a good survival tactic when starting out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #43 January 30, 2006 ***You may want to check out the Aerodyne web page, they are offering a special on the seven cell Triathlon for $700, you can get a new canopy for the price of a used one.. skyfox69 __________________________________________________ I think I confused some people because of the way I worded my first post. I only mentioned canopy...the whole rig is for sale for $1200. I need to check on the details and give it some more thought before I decide.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #44 February 6, 2006 Okay guys...I jumped the rig this weekend and it was awesome. The container fits me perfectly! After jumping those humongous student rigs, it doesn't even feel like I'm wearing a rig. The main is a sabre 150 with 600 jumps, and the reserve is a 135 with no jumps. The container is a racer and I've already become proficient at packing it. He's actually selling it to me for $1000. It's really nice and I stood up the landings on it. I even asked a couple of the jumpers (who saw me fly it) what they thought about it. I then asked a couple of the regulars who have seen me progress and know my canopy skills. All of them said they would jump on it if they were me. I'm still going to do some thinking but I really like it...and it's multi-colored, which was my preference.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #45 February 7, 2006 Couple of q's: What's your wingloading on the 150? To calculate, take your weight, add 22lb (for the rig), and divide by the size of your canopy, in this case 150. You'll get a number like 0.9 or 1.2 or summat... Is the rig Cypres-equipped? If not, is it Cypres-ready? Is the rig freefly-friendly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #46 February 7, 2006 wingloading is .91, it is cypress-ready and I don't believe it's freefly friendly...but I won't be doing that for a while, if ever. Does that matter?Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #47 February 7, 2006 QuoteI don't believe it's freefly friendly...but I won't be doing that for a while, if ever. Does that matter? It doesn't matter one bit if you don't plan to freefly with it. I think $1000 for that rig is an excellent price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #48 February 7, 2006 What do you think about not having an AAD right away? It really doesn't bother me, but I would like to get some different opinions.Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #49 February 7, 2006 0.91 is a fine n dandy wingloading, and if you don't plan on freeflying, it doesn't matter that the rig isn't ready for it. It does, however, affect the value of the rig, but if Lisa says it's good value, then it's very probably good value. The Cypres question will attract strong opinions in both directions. Personally, I jump with one, and have no plans to remove it any time soon. I'd imagine you'll get a number of recommendations to the effect of "you're the mother of a young child so get an AAD." However, at the end of the day, it's entirely up to you. edit: Should you so desire, older Cypreses can be found cheaply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivermom 0 #50 February 7, 2006 Thanks for the advice. I'm so excited!Mrs. WaltAppel All things work together for good to them that love God...Romans 8:28 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
