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brucet7 0
Your openning sound just like the one I had on my Sabre 2 last weekend. I was dazed a bit, had a riser burn on my chin. People heard mine on the ground, my rigger said, "Oh, I wouldn't want to be you." And I rock and rolled for a bit as well. I had a combination of slider and body position. You have my sympathy.
POPS #10623; SOS #1672
aresye 0
I learned some tricks from a rigger at Skydive San Diego, on how to better position the slider to catch more air, and keeping the nose out of the direct flow.
Next 2 jumps, openings were back to normal, if not softer than before!
Next 2 jumps, openings were back to normal, if not softer than before!
Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.
skydiverek 63
I just experienced the same buckling after a SOFT opening on my Spectre 190, WL 1:1. Did 5 jumps yesterday, and the bucking happend on ALL of them. NEVEr happend in the previous 40 jumps. It was w windy day though - could it be the cause???
airdvr 210
In looking at the video I noticed the pilot chute, bag, and bridle. Seems the canopy is stalling a bit, possibly from the hard opening throwing your body out in front?
I've had a few slammers in my day. Not fun.
I've had a few slammers in my day. Not fun.
Please don't dent the planet.
Destinations by Roxanne
Destinations by Roxanne
aresye 0
It could be the winds, but how many jumps do you have on that canopy?
The canopy buckling, surging, and just in general feeling unstable during normal flight, is a good sign the line set is going out of trim.
The canopy buckling, surging, and just in general feeling unstable during normal flight, is a good sign the line set is going out of trim.
Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.
skydiverek 63
I have 50 jumps on my Spectre, but it was bought used. It is supposed to have 250 jumps total. Steering lines seem to be correct length (bow behind a canopy in full flight).
Bertt 0
You can get the line trim specs for your canopy from the PD website. A rigger can help you measure your lines to see if they are out of trim. (You can do it yourself, but it's easy to measure wrong if you haven't done it before.) If you have Spectra lines, there's a good chance they are getting out of trim. Dacron, not so much.
You don't have to outrun the bear.
hackish 8
You know something was hard when everyone on the ground was wondering if hunting season had started...
Part of a slider's operation is that it plays a tug of war against the spreading lines and the wind from your downward travel. For every inch down it travels I could see more than an inch of spread available to the canopy. Starting with the slider down a few inches may give the canopy enough of a head start that it wins the tug of war too fast and BANG.
A few other points - rolling the cone nice and tight gives it more time before the nose starts to catch and inflate. I've found making a tight cone and camera packing the nose on my sabre2 170 gives me very nice smooth openings. I can always tell when someone else packs it.
-Michael
Part of a slider's operation is that it plays a tug of war against the spreading lines and the wind from your downward travel. For every inch down it travels I could see more than an inch of spread available to the canopy. Starting with the slider down a few inches may give the canopy enough of a head start that it wins the tug of war too fast and BANG.
A few other points - rolling the cone nice and tight gives it more time before the nose starts to catch and inflate. I've found making a tight cone and camera packing the nose on my sabre2 170 gives me very nice smooth openings. I can always tell when someone else packs it.
-Michael
erdnarob 1
There are several factors contributing to the opening forces like : canopy type, pilot chute size and fabric, line stows length, right sort of rubber bands, the way the slider is placed, the jumper position at opening, use of tuck tabs on riser covers...One can read about it on Performance Designs web site.
What can likely happen is that the slider moves down a bit on the lines when doing the 3 folds and bagging the canopy. A slider just one inch away from the stoppers can make a really hard opening. Therefore, at the bagging one should comb the lines up in order to make sure the slider is still against its stoppers.
What can likely happen is that the slider moves down a bit on the lines when doing the 3 folds and bagging the canopy. A slider just one inch away from the stoppers can make a really hard opening. Therefore, at the bagging one should comb the lines up in order to make sure the slider is still against its stoppers.
Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all.
Is you neck sore? I got slammed for the first time last week and when I woke up the next day I literally could not move my neck. After a week, I am still in a lot of pain.
brucet7 0
On my last hard opening, my neck was sore, my chest hurt, and the riser rash on my face attracted attention from several whuffos.
POPS #10623; SOS #1672
Hate to revive an old thread but I sure wish I found it earlier since I’m sitting here in pain 4 hours after my last jump.
I often brag about my Spectre 230 and how it snivels and actually came to believe that it was incapable of anything but a nice smooth comfortable deployment.
Guess what? They can and will bite you like I read here. I think complacency led to being lazy about the slider as I’m sure that was the culprit.
Having just packed it yesterday, I remember the slider coming down while packing and I just shoved it back. It was also a pretty sloppy pack job, but I’d done ‘em before that way with no issues. When it opened, everyone at the DZ “knew” what happened. I was told it was pretty loud.
I packed it up and there’s no apparent damage as I inspected the hell out of it including all the line attachment top & bottom and did a thorough inspection of the harness.
This opening put welts on my crotch, something smacked me in the face giving me a nice bruise “I think it was my arm”, and I did something to my neck and back. Tomorrow should be interesting.
I often brag about my Spectre 230 and how it snivels and actually came to believe that it was incapable of anything but a nice smooth comfortable deployment.
Guess what? They can and will bite you like I read here. I think complacency led to being lazy about the slider as I’m sure that was the culprit.
Having just packed it yesterday, I remember the slider coming down while packing and I just shoved it back. It was also a pretty sloppy pack job, but I’d done ‘em before that way with no issues. When it opened, everyone at the DZ “knew” what happened. I was told it was pretty loud.
I packed it up and there’s no apparent damage as I inspected the hell out of it including all the line attachment top & bottom and did a thorough inspection of the harness.
This opening put welts on my crotch, something smacked me in the face giving me a nice bruise “I think it was my arm”, and I did something to my neck and back. Tomorrow should be interesting.
You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime
spootch 0
You missed the part about having to push your anus back in with a stick you found on the landing area
Seriously though, that shit hurts, and I've sooo been there
I was taught yes. I was told (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that the slider has to be ALL the way up. It not only keeps the lines tight together, but also shields the nose from the relative wind, thus slowing the inflation. Again, I may be wrong, but this is my understanding.
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
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