bluewaterstream 0 #1 January 30, 2006 What do you think about these pictures? Well over 10 jumps have been made with these twists in the brake lines. The lines are Spectra (microlines) with about 150 jumps on them. Problematic or no problem at all? Can this cause a malfunction (slider hang-up/delay, tension knot(s) trapping other lines, change the length of the steering lines, kinks in the twisted lines interfering with riser guide rings, etc.), possible brake line deformation/damage, etc.? I'm debating this issue with a friend of mine and I'd like to hear some other opinions. I'd especially like to hear what all you riggers think. Thanks, J-Jennings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 January 30, 2006 That is one of my biggest pet peeves in gear maintinence. Twisted brake lines shows the jumper doesn't give a hoot about their gear. It causes premeture weat and shrinkage of brake lines, often leading to poorer landings because of trim issues. It takes such a little amount of time to fix at the end of a jump day before the last pack job. Also most of it can be prevented by simply stowing your brakes before walking in from the landing area (please remember to look out for other trafic while doing this.) Tell your friend they are being lazy.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #3 January 30, 2006 Walking the twists out is overkill, just no need to get absolutely all the twists out, I think. Just eyeballing it as you set the brakes, and taking a few twists out until it looks straight is good enough, and can be done every time you pack. Many a slider hangup can be attributed to such twists. No debate on this issue, that is way too much.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #4 January 30, 2006 If your brake lines are still twisted up, Unpack your gear right now and untwist them."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #5 January 30, 2006 I think the rig is not his, but the point is valid, that person should be encouraged in the strongest terms to not jump it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #6 January 30, 2006 Oh, I intended that as an imperitive for anyone who's gear looks like the photos. It's shameful the way some people neglect their gear."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #7 January 30, 2006 Warning: thread drift! What kind of links are those? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #8 January 30, 2006 Am I missing something? Are they not Slinks? Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #9 January 30, 2006 Quote That is one of my biggest pet peeves in gear maintinence. Word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #10 January 30, 2006 QuoteAm I missing something? Are they not Slinks? Canuck Doesn't look like it to me, looks like there's too much slack in them. I don't have that much space between the top of the riser and the lines with mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 January 30, 2006 There are at least 3 other major canopy manufactures that make "soft links".---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluewaterstream 0 #12 January 30, 2006 QuoteThere are at least 3 other major canopy manufactures that make "soft links". Exactly... plus the links have nothing to do with this. So, back to these brakelines - are they: ..."Problematic or no problem at all? Can this cause a malfunction (slider hang-up/delay, tension knot(s) trapping other lines, change the length of the steering lines, kinks in the twisted lines interfering with riser guide rings, etc.), possible brake line deformation/damage, etc.?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #13 January 30, 2006 Yes, you should take the twists out of your brake lines periodically. I try to do mine at the end of each jumping day or whenver I happen to notice more than a few twists. It only takes a minute to do.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluewaterstream 0 #14 January 30, 2006 Quotethat person should be encouraged in the strongest terms to not jump it. Quoteyou should take the twists out of your brake lines periodically. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #15 January 30, 2006 Quote"Problematic or no problem at all? Can this cause a malfunction (slider hang-up/delay, tension knot(s) trapping other lines, change the length of the steering lines, kinks in the twisted lines interfering with riser guide rings, etc.), possible brake line deformation/damage, etc.?" Yes, don't be a lazy mo fo and just fix it. It'll take you like 30 extra seconds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #16 January 30, 2006 ditto! NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #17 January 30, 2006 Quote Are they not Slinks? QuoteThere are at least 3 other major canopy manufacturers that make "soft links". Apologizing again for thread drift. Might be tandem Slinks, but the reason I asked was because I've also seen Precision Wrap-Its installed like Slinks, with just two turns instead of three like the directions say, resulting in a bigger loop like the one pictured. Tandem Slinks would be okay, just overkill. Wrap-Its installed incorrectly would be a problem. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #18 January 30, 2006 I have "wrap-its" and they have a blue stripe interwoven in the soft-link. I don't think those are Precision's links.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #19 January 30, 2006 They look like the links made by HiPer Research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #20 January 30, 2006 Though I answered this already. Slider hang up and tension knots? Probably not. Change the length of the steering lines? Most definately. Could cause mals due to trim issues. And having just a few twists will cause a problem too.... twists in spectra that are not removed will become heat set, and then the problem becomes worse.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluewaterstream 0 #21 January 30, 2006 QuoteApologizing again for thread drift. No problem bro. Not my links so I can't answer for sure, but the canopy is a PD Sabre2 that he bought brand new and I think that they are Slinks. I just received PD Slinks with my new Sabre2, so I'm guessing that's what he was sent with the canopy but I'd have to ask him to know for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #23 January 30, 2006 so, to fast forward a bit...... i was at a dz doing a canopy course and the conversation came up as to how to untwist the lines if twisted . it started after the canopycoach told the class that twisted brake lines shorten the lines and effect flare points etc... so the next jump i asked my packer to check and straighten my brake lines. he said they didn't need it ( i always stow the lines when i land), but a rigger there over heard and said it's better to untwist the lines under canopy because they are under tension and will stay untwisted better. wich then led to a debate on weather or not the risk of taking attention away from flying the canopy and the posibility of losing a grip on the handle where worth the risk . i did it and it can be done but can see how it might be easy to lose grip on a handle that way . just wanted to toss that into the mix ._________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 4 #24 January 30, 2006 I set my brakes in the field as soon as I have landed. No More Twists --I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #25 January 30, 2006 Quote I set my brakes in the field as soon as I have landed. Me too, and check for twist time to time. At least once a day. I haven't ever used a packer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
