Thanatos340 1 #51 May 28, 2008 Try this: 200,000,000 Licensed Drivers. 40,000 of them will Die every year on average in auto accidents. 35,000 Licensed Skydivers. 30 of them will die every year on average. Sounds like driving is a HELL of a lot safer to me. This argument has been beat to death in other threads. Stats can be twisted to show whatever you want them to show. If anyone really believes that skydiving is safer than Driving, Please let me know if it looks like we will be on the same load so that I can scratch off because I really try to avoid being in the air with people that lack basic common sense. Edit: also please note that the only people you will usually hear making the foolish argument that Skydiving is safer than Driving are generally people with less than 100 jumps and relatively short time in the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #52 May 28, 2008 The difference is that you actually tried it and then made a decision that it wasn't for you. I willl try just about anything once and then decide if I have no desire to pursue it- because you never know that you might just like it! Its more of an issue of self limitation..... I just won't try crack- I like my teeth.Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #53 May 28, 2008 Can't we just solve it with some jager?Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #55 May 28, 2008 As long as you bend over for me..... The more you drink the less you will feel. I promise. Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 May 28, 2008 Quote Patrick to the rescue! Maybe I should fly to atlanta and get stuck in a tree at the farm to have a special fire man rescue me. There's easier ways to get to "play with the hose".... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #57 May 28, 2008 He's got a girl friend so his fire hose is out of the question.Damn. Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #58 May 28, 2008 Quote As long as you bend over for me..... The more you drink the less you will feel. I promise. Trying to get me drunk just so you can get into my pants. Typical Woman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #59 May 28, 2008 I know you have to beat us off with a stick at the dz.Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #60 May 28, 2008 QuoteCan't we just solve it with some jager? Mmmmmm, jager...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #61 May 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteCan't we just solve it with some jager? Mmmmmm, jager...... Try out some Becher sometime....good stuff! (or at least the stuff I had over in Czech was....)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repcool 2 #62 May 28, 2008 I'm too scared to do a tandem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #63 May 28, 2008 Quote Try this: 200,000,000 Licensed Drivers. 40,000 of them will Die every year on average in auto accidents. 35,000 Licensed Skydivers. 30 of them will die every year on average. Edit: also please note that the only people you will usually hear making the foolish argument that Skydiving is safer than Driving are generally people with less than 100 jumps and relatively short time in the sport. Oh the irony of it all!! "T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 May 28, 2008 Quote Quote As long as you bend over for me..... The more you drink the less you will feel. I promise. Trying to get me drunk just so you can get into my pants. Typical Woman. Outside of what she wants to DO once she gets in your pants, I'm not seeing this as a bad thing...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #65 May 28, 2008 Woady- I heard from a little some one that you need to arch more. I can loosen that back up for you. (and that is with out the strapon) hehehehhehehhe Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woady 0 #66 May 28, 2008 Quote I can see his argument about disagreeing with the comparison. You compared the total number of skydives with the number of drivers, If you had compared the number of skydivers to the number or drivers OR the total number of skydives to the total number of car trips it would be more comparable. Then you factor in the fatality ratios and woala! You've got yourself a more solid argument. Either way, good job on posting the info. It shows effort on your part to make a valid comparison. Thank you. Take for instance that famous free climber that climbed deadly mountains with NO safety equipment for YEARS, how did he die? In a car accident. Not saying cars are more dangerous than rockclimbing, but when we let our guard down is when we let things happen, whether Skydiving or driving a car.You know what's similar between Cops and Firefighters? They both wanna be firefighters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woady 0 #67 May 28, 2008 QuoteTry this: also please note that the only people you will usually hear making the foolish argument that Skydiving is safer than Driving are generally people with less than 100 jumps and relatively short time in the sport. That would be an interesting statistic to find out. What are fatality rate of people with under 100 jumps to those over 100. I don't think that is equatable because you don't know how many are under and over 100 jumps. However, I will say that I'd be willing to bet that an influencing factor would definitely be that people with over 100 or even 500 jumps are much more prone to injury or death because they've done the simple basics and try the free flying and swooping, which I definitely hope to get into. On another note you it could be safer if you have over 100 as experience is the worst teacher of all, it gives the test before the lesson is learned. How about everyone just be safe doing both? Jager is like watching a gay porn, you don't know what your getting into until its too late...except I only like jager, I ain't going to lie to ya.You know what's similar between Cops and Firefighters? They both wanna be firefighters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denete 3 #68 May 28, 2008 Quote Quote As long as you bend over for me..... The more you drink the less you will feel. I promise. Trying to get me drunk just so you can get into my pants. Typical Woman. I don't think she was talking about getting into your pants. More like...re-arranging your internal organs.SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #69 May 28, 2008 When we were talking about stats- I was referring to the ONE time trandem jumper deaths versus driving. But okay- I won't go there. I will drop it. Any one know how many tandems there are in a year? When I made the reference to the car- I was using it as a point that there are other risks in our everday lives and ONE tandem won't send her over the deep end. Jager gets me into trouble. I had some at the dz this weekend.........Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galvar2439 0 #70 May 28, 2008 QuoteThe difference is that you actually tried it and then made a decision that it wasn't for you. I willl try just about anything once and then decide if I have no desire to pursue it- because you never know that you might just like it! Its more of an issue of self limitation..... I just won't try crack- I like my teeth. People are who they are, just like or dislike them based on that. Because we all think, act, see the world different is what makes this planet so great. NOW go jumpSo i just broke up with this woman who wasn't even my girlfriend! Hellfish #782, POPS #10664 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aresye 0 #71 May 28, 2008 Interesting argument. From my personal experience though, I've had more close calls driving to the drop zone, than during my actual jumps. It's like my instructor said to me, "Skydiving can be as safe, or as dangerous and you make it to be."Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #72 May 28, 2008 1) statistics can be made to show whatever you want them to. 2) Skydiving and driving do have something in common; you can make either as unsafe as you want to. i.e. some kid getting a Lotus upon getting their licence, whether car or canopy - they're not ready. Either activity has inherent risks, it doesn't really matter which one offers the greatest risk of killing yourself. Just use your common sense so that you do not become a statistic."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #73 May 28, 2008 All of the actual stats aside, I think that perceived risk plays a bigger role than actual risk for a lot of people who are afraid to jump. It doesn't necessarily matter how many people actually died last year to the whuffo who is being asked to go out the door of a plane with someone who is most likely a stranger and gear that they may or may not trust. That's a big, unnatural step. I still have some door fear and right at that ready-to-go moment, I don't give a RIP about how many people died behind the wheel as opposed to how many died while jumping. All I know right then is that I wasn't made to fly and yet I'm deliberately going out anyway.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #74 May 28, 2008 I have never wanted to try SCAT. Does that mean I'm a non-adventurous, shallow-minded, bad person?? "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
banesanura 1 #75 May 28, 2008 are we talking about scat- scat? Or something else? I am not opposed to the idea. But then again- I am not jumping around begging people to use them as.... shitting on some one and skydiving are two WAY different things. It's not like I will be telling my mom any time soon to go drop a deuce on some dude.Best Girl Scout Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
