millertime24 8 #26 May 29, 2008 So opening doors = Chivalry? Chivalry: 1: mounted men-at-arms 2archaic a: martial valor b: knightly skill 3: gallant or distinguished gentlemen 4: the system, spirit, or customs of medieval knighthood 5: the qualities of the ideal knight : chivalrous conduct Where, exactly, does it say anything about opening a fucking door? Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #27 May 29, 2008 There was no such thing as a “uniform” code of chivalry in the Middle Ages. Many people — from successful knights to contemplative philosophers — compiled lists of virtuous qualities, called the “knightly virtues,” which they felt defined chivalry. No two were exactly the same. There were, however, several common themes found in these lists of knightly virtues. By combining these, we have created what we consider to be the seven knightly virtues of the modern code of chivalry: Courage More than bravado or bluster, today’s knight in shining armor must have the courage of the heart necessary to undertake tasks which are difficult, tedious or unglamorous, and to graciously accept the sacrifices involved. Justice A knight in shining armor holds him- or herself to the highest standard of behavior, and knows that “fudging” on the little rules weakens the fabric of society for everyone. Mercy Words and attitudes can be painful weapons in the modern world, which is why a knight in shining armor exercises mercy in his or her dealings with others, creating a sense of peace and community, rather than engendering hostility and antagonism. Generosity Sharing what’s valuable in life means not just giving away material goods, but also time, attention, wisdom and energy — the things that create a strong, rich and diverse community. Faith In the code of chivalry, “faith” means trust and integrity, and a knight in shining armor is always faithful to his or her promises, no matter how big or small they may be. Nobility Although this word is sometimes confused with “entitlement” or “snobbishness,” in the code of chivalry it conveys the importance of upholding one’s convictions at all times, especially when no one else is watching. Hope More than just a safety net in times of tragedy, hope is present every day in a modern knight’s positive outlook and cheerful demeanor — the shining armor that shields him or her, and inspires people all around. Each of these concepts is important in itself, and every one of these virtues is an admirable quality, but when all of them blend together in one person, we discover the value, and power, of chivalry today. Modern-day knights should strive to keep these virtues alive in their own hearts, but, perhaps more importantly, they should work to bring these wonderful qualities out in the people they see every day — at home, in the office, at school or on the street corner. A person who lives by the code of chivalry in today’s world allows everyone to see their best qualities reflected in his or her shining armor. Things such as opening a door, pulling her chair out for her, helping her on with her coat/jacket, etc. are just ways of showing Respect.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #28 May 29, 2008 Quote So opening doors = Chivalry? Chivalry: 1: mounted men-at-arms 2archaic a: martial valor b: knightly skill 3: gallant or distinguished gentlemen 4: the system, spirit, or customs of medieval knighthood 5: the qualities of the ideal knight : chivalrous conduct Where, exactly, does it say anything about opening a fucking door? Hey!We used to impress the ladies by slaying dragons, but then they became more and more scarce, and now they're on the Endangered Species List. So now we settle for opening doors, (which are much easier to find)."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluepill 0 #29 May 29, 2008 Quote Things such as opening a door, pulling her chair out for her, helping her on with her coat/jacket, etc. are just ways of showing Respect. Respect? - yeh right. OK, so in a room full of ugly woman and one hot chick there is no way that a man is gonna hold the door open for em all. The hot chick gets the RESPECT and then door is firmly shut closed on all the rest. BP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #30 May 29, 2008 I like the way you think. Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #31 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Things such as opening a door, pulling her chair out for her, helping her on with her coat/jacket, etc. are just ways of showing Respect. Respect? - yeh right. OK, so in a room full of ugly woman and one hot chick there is no way that a man is gonna hold the door open for em all. The hot chick gets the RESPECT and then door is firmly shut closed on all the rest. BP Speaking from personal experience? Speaking for myself, yes even the ugly ones will have the door opened for them... and the little old ladies... and even the ones who could lose a few dozen pounds... The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #32 May 29, 2008 No, it just smells bad. "I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 May 29, 2008 Quote nah, I consistantly defer to, and open doors for females not matter where I am. And on those rare occaisions that the female is offended, I sincerely apologize for mistaking her for a lady. The word is derived from the French word chevalier. It refers to someone riding a horse (cheval). The people riding horses and wearing armor were knights. The best story that I ever read was Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach. Written around the 13th century. Funny and interesting, but also exceedingly informative. Things don't change. The knight was given control of a piece of land and the duty of protecting it. Chivalry was a set of rules, but the rules only applied to the nobility. Serfs were property and treated entirely differently, women included. "Yes, I've saved you from the robbers... game on!" So, the ones without any manners are probably just serfs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #34 May 29, 2008 Quote Don't need to go on about whether it's welcome or not...there was a post in the Women Only forum about that...I mean, someone TOLD me there was...But overall - is it dead? Bottle of Jameson goes to the person who supplies the answer I'm looking for... No - but nice guys still finish last - and yes - the two seem to be correlated.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #35 May 29, 2008 Quote Is Chivalry Dead? Yes, and women killed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #36 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Is Chivalry Dead? Yes, and women killed it. eeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhzt Wrong . . . Feminists killed it. Real women know how to let a man think he is taking care of her.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #37 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote Is Chivalry Dead? Yes, and women killed it. We need to get you one of these. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #38 May 29, 2008 Holding a door open for someone (male or female) has nothing to do with chivalry but everything to do with Good Manners. And if they have the timerity to feel patronised by that simple polite act then I hope that I'd have the very good grace not to tell them to Fuck Right Off. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #39 May 29, 2008 Quote Holding a door open for someone (male or female) has nothing to do with chivalry but everything to do with Good Manners. And if they have the timerity to feel patronised by that simple polite act then I hope that I'd have the very good grace not to tell them to Fuck Right Off. Good for you. Not telling them to FRO is the example of good manners to live by. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #40 May 29, 2008 aye... I must be mellowing in my old age (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #41 May 29, 2008 Quote No - but nice guys still finish last - and yes - the two seem to be correlated. No they don't. Vskydiver is very accurate in what I do for her. Being nice and being a doormat are 2 different things. Polite has always paid off for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #42 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote No - but nice guys still finish last - and yes - the two seem to be correlated. No they don't. Vskydiver is very accurate in what I do for her. Being nice and being a doormat are 2 different things. Polite has always paid off for me. I'm not talking about being a doormat . . . I was talking about being nice - I can tell the difference.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #43 May 29, 2008 Nice doesn't always work either. Sometimes you just can't get what you want. I guess I did, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #44 May 29, 2008 Quote Quote No - but nice guys still finish last - and yes - the two seem to be correlated. No they don't. Vskydiver is very accurate in what I do for her. Being nice and being a doormat are 2 different things. Polite has always paid off for me. Now if we can train women to know the difference between nice and door mat.. The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #45 May 29, 2008 Quote Nice doesn't always work either. Sometimes you just can't get what you want. I guess I did, though. Yes, yes, the exception that proves the rule.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #46 May 29, 2008 Ah yes the nice guy vs asshole debate...Don't we seem a bit pathetic to claim "women don't like me because I'm not an asshole" ?? Doesn't that seem a bit jealous and petty? Nice guys really need to stop blaming women for their shortcomings. Shit, I could offer my services as a personal coach to help nice guys become successful with the ladies. $50 per hour. Any takers?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #47 May 29, 2008 Actually it has nothing to do with the 'nice guy vs asshole' debate but rather that women see someone who is nice and polite and automatically think 'doormat'.... but that's for another thread.. this one is drifting off topic enough...The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #48 May 29, 2008 [Confucius Moment] There's only one person in the whole world that can make you a Door-Mat ...... and that's you.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GflyDog 0 #49 May 29, 2008 Quote Don't need to go on about whether it's welcome or not...there was a post in the Women Only forum about that...I mean, someone TOLD me there was...But overall - is it dead? Bottle of Jameson goes to the person who supplies the answer I'm looking for... Nope. The increased thermal conditions Global warming has caused, has simply put Chivalry in a coma in most regions. But it has not affected me, only Kryptonite can alter the 'Incredible Chivalry Man'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #50 May 30, 2008 Chivalry - helping damsels in distress with hopes of getting them out of dis' dress. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
