Anvilbrother 0 #26 April 29, 2008 you mean ethanol blends from corn? We have been on that for years.. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #27 April 29, 2008 QuoteSorry, but luck has nothing to do with it... Without getting all political, we choose to only have 1 car (a 1.8l Integra that gets 30mpg), a bike that gets 45mpg, and I choose to ride my bicycle to work 2-3 times a week (that's 60 to 90 miles on gas saved). Notice a pattern? *** And I thought Captain America was dead. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aresye 0 #28 April 29, 2008 $4.15 here in Coronado, CA. Glad I can buy gas on base instead ($3.79).Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mdrejhon 8 #29 April 29, 2008 We own no cars here -- I use a carsharing service (Vrtucar in Ottawa, similiar to Zipcar in some cities in the U.S.) ... The costs of gas and insurance are included. But with the increased long distance roadtrips I sometimes want to make for skydiving, it sometimes get tempting to just buy a car. Maybe some hybrid or efficient compact such as a ForTwo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #30 April 29, 2008 Most people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gonzalesna 0 #31 April 29, 2008 Cost me just over $80 to fill up last Sunday Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RastaRicanAir 0 #32 April 29, 2008 YES. Do it. And send the money you save to the Nigerian prince who's going to e-mail you tomorrow. Or better yet, read this.OrFunV/LocoBoca Rodriguez/Sonic Grieco/Muff Brother #4411 -"and ladies....messin with Robbie is venturing into territory you cant even imagine!-cuz Robbie is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #33 April 29, 2008 Quote really need to buy a diesel outboard for my sailboat too. I mean the Honda 2HP is great for getting it into the dock and away from the dock.. but I want to be as energy independent as I can be within a year. I believe they call them oars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #34 April 29, 2008 You stick to your rowboat I will stick with my sloop...mmmkkk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #35 April 30, 2008 Quote You stick to your rowboat I will stick with my sloop...mmmkkk there should only be ONE "O" in that girlYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Broke 0 #36 April 30, 2008 Yeah that'll work so everyone buys gas the day before and the day after. What we should do is stop buying from ExxonMobil corp once they lower their prices everone else will follow suitDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rdutch 0 #37 April 30, 2008 QuoteMost people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. No Need the 300d will run on straight oil right out of the bottle. I own a 300d and run cooking oil in it all the time. Just invest in a good filter system and make sure its clean. Im pretty sure it wont work in the winter though. But for summer driving it works no problem. I used to buy straight cooking oil from Sams, but now its expensive as hell. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sinjin 0 #38 April 30, 2008 saw 4.43 in goleta, california for regular 87 on friday, !!!dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RastaRicanAir 0 #39 April 30, 2008 Quote Yeah that'll work so everyone buys gas the day before and the day after. What we should do is stop buying from ExxonMobil corp once they lower their prices everone else will follow suit Ummmm....once again. Nope. OrFunV/LocoBoca Rodriguez/Sonic Grieco/Muff Brother #4411 -"and ladies....messin with Robbie is venturing into territory you cant even imagine!-cuz Robbie is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Broke 0 #40 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't bother, it won't work. If you really want to affect gas prices, stop using as much. Simple supply & demand. Buying it today vs. tomorrow won't change a thing. Nah...I'm pretty sure we've been consuming less gas for a while now...it's not really as simple as supply and demand. It's how deep they can stick before we say uncle. We haven't said uncle, so they stick it deeper. Jon Absolutely correct! In the US, gas consumption is down more than 1% in the last 18 months. Funny, I read something in the Newark Star Ledger last week stating that BECAUSE consumption is down, it's causing the price to rise! It's official: EVERY excuse has now been used to justify the ever rising cost of fuel! BTW, I've noticed a marked reduction of traffic by my house, especially after dark. Shit one time they said that they were increasing the cost of gas because the cost of crude went downDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41 April 30, 2008 The Problem here in the NW.. is even in the warmest months it goes into the 50's or 40's at night. You have to have a purge system and a heated tank so that the veggie does not jell in the lines. Before you can shut off the engine.. you have to switch to bio-diesel... and purge the veggie from the lines. Now.. if I was in AZ... no problem.. but up here.. we make a big deal when we have 65 days of temps over 70 degrees for the high for the day. Better to just make bio-diesel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pontiacgtp00 0 #42 April 30, 2008 This text message circulates around every single year. I remember getting it for like the past 2 or 3 years. It never happens. If we all started riding bio-diesel mopeds that got 80mpg then that MIGHT have some effect. For now I'll stick to my civic, it gets 45mpg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites d_squared431 0 #43 April 30, 2008 The problem with the price for gas will not be resolved by people not buying gas on one specific day or another. The problem is there are not enough refineries here and what we have are not able to produce more due to storage. If you want the prices to become lower well it isn't going to happen over night or even in the next few years. The price will not drop only continue to increase as the months pass. We rely way too much on oil from over seas and they set the prices due to one reason or another. Fuel is in demand and when there is demand for a goods or products the price always jumps up. It sucks ass that the price of gas has to cost so much but no matter how many so called strikes it will not make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if we will be allotted a gas allowance shortly. So for now we just have to suck it up and pay the price if we want to drive our cars.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #44 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteMost people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. No Need the 300d will run on straight oil right out of the bottle. I own a 300d and run cooking oil in it all the time. Just invest in a good filter system and make sure its clean. Im pretty sure it wont work in the winter though. But for summer driving it works no problem. I used to buy straight cooking oil from Sams, but now its expensive as hell. In winter (depends where you live), it's best if you pre-Heat the fuel, say with a heated secondary fuel pump. Probably better to use less than 100% SVO too. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #45 April 30, 2008 Quoteyou mean ethanol blends from corn? We have been on that for years.. I don't think so. Ethanol is a Petrol replacement, whilst Bio-Diesel is for oil fueled engines. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #46 April 30, 2008 What he can get away with in FL.. most of the year .. would seize up the whole fuel system... up here in America's version of crappy English weather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #47 April 30, 2008 I guess that it does get cold (understatement?) over there, so even commercial diesel would get a bit 'waxy' in the winter. But saying that, some people run engines on animal fat (Tallow) which needs to be heated before the primary pump as well.... um, so what do the Dr do with all of the Lyposuction extracts.. So obese people do have a future use (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #48 April 30, 2008 A few notes - Biodiesel is not straight vegetable oil (SVO.) It is a fuel made by mixing sodium methoxide with vegetable oil, resulting in biodiesel and glycerin (used to make soap.) Diesel engines can run on either. Biodiesel works pretty much like petroleum diesel, and will work OK in winter. (Some people thin it with a commercial anti-gelling compound in really cold areas.) SVO needs to be heated (or used only in very warm climates) to operate well in diesels. Most SVO conversions have a startup fuel system with regular diesel and a heated fuel tank/fuel line setup. Once the engine is warm, it switches to SVO. Biodiesel will never replace all our liquid fuel usage. It will just replace a small amount. The idea is that a small amount of ethanol, biodiesel, biogas, hydrogen, short range electrics, long range PHEV's etc will all add up to a gradual reduction in petroleum usage. If we reduce our usage of oil as supplies dwindle, it will keep the price under control - and more importantly ensure oil is still available for the more important uses, like military fuel and plastics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #49 April 30, 2008 They have several formulations of the bio-diesel I buy. Summer gets one and winter gets a different blend. Its not that it gets really cold here.. its just overcast.. foggy... drizzle for many months of the year. NOW if you go to the other side of the Cascades it gets pretty dry.. and COLD in the winter.. and HOT in the summer. They have formulations for that as well. Fuels are an interesting concoction and one formula just does not work well for all the variations of climate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bfilarsky 0 #50 April 30, 2008 Quote Quote Don't bother, it won't work. If you really want to affect gas prices, stop using as much. Simple supply & demand. Buying it today vs. tomorrow won't change a thing. Nah...I'm pretty sure we've been consuming less gas for a while now...it's not really as simple as supply and demand. It's how deep they can stick before we say uncle. We haven't said uncle, so they stick it deeper. Jon Its not simple by any means, but it still follows the rules of supply and demand. You are absolutely correct about them (OPEC to be precise) raping us harder and harder, and jacking the prices up higher and higher. They do so not by setting the price, but my limiting production (supply), which in turn controls the price. So, yes it is supply and demand, along with everyone who uses it bending over and grabbing their ankles while all the oil bastards get rich Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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aresye 0 #28 April 29, 2008 $4.15 here in Coronado, CA. Glad I can buy gas on base instead ($3.79).Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #29 April 29, 2008 We own no cars here -- I use a carsharing service (Vrtucar in Ottawa, similiar to Zipcar in some cities in the U.S.) ... The costs of gas and insurance are included. But with the increased long distance roadtrips I sometimes want to make for skydiving, it sometimes get tempting to just buy a car. Maybe some hybrid or efficient compact such as a ForTwo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 April 29, 2008 Most people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 0 #31 April 29, 2008 Cost me just over $80 to fill up last Sunday Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RastaRicanAir 0 #32 April 29, 2008 YES. Do it. And send the money you save to the Nigerian prince who's going to e-mail you tomorrow. Or better yet, read this.OrFunV/LocoBoca Rodriguez/Sonic Grieco/Muff Brother #4411 -"and ladies....messin with Robbie is venturing into territory you cant even imagine!-cuz Robbie is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #33 April 29, 2008 Quote really need to buy a diesel outboard for my sailboat too. I mean the Honda 2HP is great for getting it into the dock and away from the dock.. but I want to be as energy independent as I can be within a year. I believe they call them oars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 April 29, 2008 You stick to your rowboat I will stick with my sloop...mmmkkk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #35 April 30, 2008 Quote You stick to your rowboat I will stick with my sloop...mmmkkk there should only be ONE "O" in that girlYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #36 April 30, 2008 Yeah that'll work so everyone buys gas the day before and the day after. What we should do is stop buying from ExxonMobil corp once they lower their prices everone else will follow suitDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #37 April 30, 2008 QuoteMost people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. No Need the 300d will run on straight oil right out of the bottle. I own a 300d and run cooking oil in it all the time. Just invest in a good filter system and make sure its clean. Im pretty sure it wont work in the winter though. But for summer driving it works no problem. I used to buy straight cooking oil from Sams, but now its expensive as hell. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #38 April 30, 2008 saw 4.43 in goleta, california for regular 87 on friday, !!!dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RastaRicanAir 0 #39 April 30, 2008 Quote Yeah that'll work so everyone buys gas the day before and the day after. What we should do is stop buying from ExxonMobil corp once they lower their prices everone else will follow suit Ummmm....once again. Nope. OrFunV/LocoBoca Rodriguez/Sonic Grieco/Muff Brother #4411 -"and ladies....messin with Robbie is venturing into territory you cant even imagine!-cuz Robbie is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #40 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't bother, it won't work. If you really want to affect gas prices, stop using as much. Simple supply & demand. Buying it today vs. tomorrow won't change a thing. Nah...I'm pretty sure we've been consuming less gas for a while now...it's not really as simple as supply and demand. It's how deep they can stick before we say uncle. We haven't said uncle, so they stick it deeper. Jon Absolutely correct! In the US, gas consumption is down more than 1% in the last 18 months. Funny, I read something in the Newark Star Ledger last week stating that BECAUSE consumption is down, it's causing the price to rise! It's official: EVERY excuse has now been used to justify the ever rising cost of fuel! BTW, I've noticed a marked reduction of traffic by my house, especially after dark. Shit one time they said that they were increasing the cost of gas because the cost of crude went downDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 April 30, 2008 The Problem here in the NW.. is even in the warmest months it goes into the 50's or 40's at night. You have to have a purge system and a heated tank so that the veggie does not jell in the lines. Before you can shut off the engine.. you have to switch to bio-diesel... and purge the veggie from the lines. Now.. if I was in AZ... no problem.. but up here.. we make a big deal when we have 65 days of temps over 70 degrees for the high for the day. Better to just make bio-diesel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pontiacgtp00 0 #42 April 30, 2008 This text message circulates around every single year. I remember getting it for like the past 2 or 3 years. It never happens. If we all started riding bio-diesel mopeds that got 80mpg then that MIGHT have some effect. For now I'll stick to my civic, it gets 45mpg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d_squared431 0 #43 April 30, 2008 The problem with the price for gas will not be resolved by people not buying gas on one specific day or another. The problem is there are not enough refineries here and what we have are not able to produce more due to storage. If you want the prices to become lower well it isn't going to happen over night or even in the next few years. The price will not drop only continue to increase as the months pass. We rely way too much on oil from over seas and they set the prices due to one reason or another. Fuel is in demand and when there is demand for a goods or products the price always jumps up. It sucks ass that the price of gas has to cost so much but no matter how many so called strikes it will not make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if we will be allotted a gas allowance shortly. So for now we just have to suck it up and pay the price if we want to drive our cars.TPM Sister#130ONTIG#1 I love vodka.I love vodka cause it rhymes with Tuaca~LisaH You having a clean thought is like billyvance having a clean post.iluvtofly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #44 April 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteMost people.. myself included do not want to be bothereed. I have been thinking about this for YEARS..... but to be honest.. I just could not be bothered till now. I was going to set up my 1982 Mercedes 300D wiht a grease burner unit 8 years ago.. BUT.. it was just too much of a pain in the rump so I passed on it. Most people dont have diesel vehicles. Most people dont have the space to set up the equipment. ( not to mention it is an investment in time and money to buy or build the unit.. set the materials etc.) Most people are too lazy to be bothered and will just pay whatever the local gas station wants.. and bitch on and on about the price.. No Need the 300d will run on straight oil right out of the bottle. I own a 300d and run cooking oil in it all the time. Just invest in a good filter system and make sure its clean. Im pretty sure it wont work in the winter though. But for summer driving it works no problem. I used to buy straight cooking oil from Sams, but now its expensive as hell. In winter (depends where you live), it's best if you pre-Heat the fuel, say with a heated secondary fuel pump. Probably better to use less than 100% SVO too. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #45 April 30, 2008 Quoteyou mean ethanol blends from corn? We have been on that for years.. I don't think so. Ethanol is a Petrol replacement, whilst Bio-Diesel is for oil fueled engines. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 April 30, 2008 What he can get away with in FL.. most of the year .. would seize up the whole fuel system... up here in America's version of crappy English weather. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #47 April 30, 2008 I guess that it does get cold (understatement?) over there, so even commercial diesel would get a bit 'waxy' in the winter. But saying that, some people run engines on animal fat (Tallow) which needs to be heated before the primary pump as well.... um, so what do the Dr do with all of the Lyposuction extracts.. So obese people do have a future use (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #48 April 30, 2008 A few notes - Biodiesel is not straight vegetable oil (SVO.) It is a fuel made by mixing sodium methoxide with vegetable oil, resulting in biodiesel and glycerin (used to make soap.) Diesel engines can run on either. Biodiesel works pretty much like petroleum diesel, and will work OK in winter. (Some people thin it with a commercial anti-gelling compound in really cold areas.) SVO needs to be heated (or used only in very warm climates) to operate well in diesels. Most SVO conversions have a startup fuel system with regular diesel and a heated fuel tank/fuel line setup. Once the engine is warm, it switches to SVO. Biodiesel will never replace all our liquid fuel usage. It will just replace a small amount. The idea is that a small amount of ethanol, biodiesel, biogas, hydrogen, short range electrics, long range PHEV's etc will all add up to a gradual reduction in petroleum usage. If we reduce our usage of oil as supplies dwindle, it will keep the price under control - and more importantly ensure oil is still available for the more important uses, like military fuel and plastics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 April 30, 2008 They have several formulations of the bio-diesel I buy. Summer gets one and winter gets a different blend. Its not that it gets really cold here.. its just overcast.. foggy... drizzle for many months of the year. NOW if you go to the other side of the Cascades it gets pretty dry.. and COLD in the winter.. and HOT in the summer. They have formulations for that as well. Fuels are an interesting concoction and one formula just does not work well for all the variations of climate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bfilarsky 0 #50 April 30, 2008 Quote Quote Don't bother, it won't work. If you really want to affect gas prices, stop using as much. Simple supply & demand. Buying it today vs. tomorrow won't change a thing. Nah...I'm pretty sure we've been consuming less gas for a while now...it's not really as simple as supply and demand. It's how deep they can stick before we say uncle. We haven't said uncle, so they stick it deeper. Jon Its not simple by any means, but it still follows the rules of supply and demand. You are absolutely correct about them (OPEC to be precise) raping us harder and harder, and jacking the prices up higher and higher. They do so not by setting the price, but my limiting production (supply), which in turn controls the price. So, yes it is supply and demand, along with everyone who uses it bending over and grabbing their ankles while all the oil bastards get rich Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
