rwhepburn 0 #1 February 15, 2006 Looking for info regarding PLASTIC RIPCORDS. I it still in use? May it be use on Pilot parachutes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pincheck 0 #2 February 15, 2006 i think the majority of students get train on rip cords in the Uk before being converted to throw away Billy-Sonic Haggis Flickr-Fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #3 February 15, 2006 Plastic Martin Baker handles were banned here in the USA back in the late 70's early 80's cuz they would break in two when they got old / cold, the cold was more of an issue if I remember correct. I would not use a plastic martin baker on a rig today, I don't know of any others in use. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #4 February 15, 2006 to quote an infamous rigger ...' No more calls! We have a winner!' What Strato said. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #5 February 15, 2006 Actually there were two kinds of martin baker plastic handles. One was white and looked polypropylene, or some such thermoplastic. This ripcords were the ones known for breaking and leaving the small part in the elastic pocket. A friend had this happen and managed to find the cable and pull the reserve. There also were fiber filled ripcords that were more tan or grey and looked like fiberglass. I don't know that these ever had a problem but often were removed from service along with other ones, "just cauz". I think I have a fiber filled one somewhere.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,444 #6 February 15, 2006 I remember the fiber-filled ones staying around a lot longer. Our DZ's Strong student rigs had SOS systems with fiber handles into the early 80's, and the thermoplastic MB's were history long before then. My boyfriend demonstrated that breakage once with his main handle. Just whapped it on the ground by the cable and sure enough it broke. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #7 February 15, 2006 The person may be asking about the PVC pipe type handles used these days for BOC ripcords. We use these at our DZ with no problems. I never owned a plastic reserve handle. The Jumpshack stayed with metal thru that whole period. I do miss my blast handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #8 February 15, 2006 USPA doesn’t have and never has had the authority to ban the use of any component of a rig manufactured under a TSO. But the FAA did issue 2 AD on plastic handles. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #9 February 15, 2006 Yea I thought of that but put the info out there anyway. I do miss my blast handle. (quote) I got planty of them you need one? drilled or undrilled? ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #10 February 15, 2006 Quote QuoteUSPA doesn’t have and never has had the authority to ban the use of any component of a rig manufactured under a TSO. But the FAA did issue 2 AD on plastic handles. Sparky Uhhh! Who said USPA banned them???? I thought Strato said in the USA......not USPA BS, MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 February 16, 2006 QuoteQuote QuoteUSPA doesn’t have and never has had the authority to ban the use of any component of a rig manufactured under a TSO. But the FAA did issue 2 AD on plastic handles. Sparky Uhhh! Who said USPA banned them???? I thought Strato said in the USA......not USPA BS, MEL USPA did. The FAA didn't. Remember? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 February 16, 2006 CSPA banned all plastic and fiberglas reserve ripcord handles circa 1984. I have never seen a pilot emergency parachute with an orange tubular ripcord handle (AFF style). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wimdevos 0 #13 February 16, 2006 MarS Inc. Okruzni II. cp. 239 569 43 Jevicko Czech Republic ICO 48152366 DIC CZ48152366 http://www.marsjev.cz/ manufactures the emergency parachute ATL-88 with plastic ripcord Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #14 February 16, 2006 I've used a red plastic handle on a RS4/A conical canopy rigged for SL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 February 16, 2006 MarS' website describes it as: Release device-metallic handle - line - 2 needles. Some of their photos show American-style D handles, while others show red plastic handles. It is not clear from the photographs if the red plastic handles have an inner metal piece. It has been 20+ years since any North American trusted a plastic reserve ripcord handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #16 February 16, 2006 QuoteMarS Inc. Okruzni II. cp. 239 569 43 Jevicko Czech Republic ICO 48152366 DIC CZ48152366 http://www.marsjev.cz/ manufactures the emergency parachute ATL-88 with plastic ripcord MarS Inc. does not hold an TSO of any kind in the US so the ues of their equipment here is moot. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 February 17, 2006 The next question is whether MarS plans to apply for an ETSO through the European Union. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SSK 0 #18 February 17, 2006 see PIA Technical Bulletin 200 dated January 10, 1985 for some history on the subject of "plastic" ripcords http://www.pia.com/piapubs/tb/tb-200.pdf -Cliff Schmucker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #19 February 17, 2006 Quotesee PIA Technical Bulletin 200 dated January 10, 1985 for some history on the subject of "plastic" ripcords http://www.pia.com/piapubs/tb/tb-200.pdf - This being the key part. "Notes: 1. This recommendation in no way voids or alters the requirements of AS- 8015A as referenced in TSO-C23c or NAS-804 as referenced in TSO-C23b. 2. This bulletin is a recommendation based on cumulative industry experience to date. It does not carry the force of law." SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
