faulknerwn 38 #51 March 31, 2008 Yeha yeah ;-) I was doing it from memory since I forgot to hit the url button before I entered the links so did it by hand! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #52 March 31, 2008 Quote I was once told that in Texas, you used to be able to drink WHILE driving, & as long as you weren't visibly drunk it was OK... However, I have a hard time believing such was ever the case... It's true. The bill that did away with it was called the BUBBA Bill, as in Bubba can't beer no more on the way home from work.It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #53 March 31, 2008 Quote Quote It accepted that a good friend will say, "You shouldn't drive now. Let's call a cab." That is an example where another person is not accepting responsibility for their actions, but guiding them. A good bartender is part of the community also. The fucknugget that killed my sister was over twice the legal limit. I'm sure the bartender knew the guy was too drunk to drive, but i still don't think it was the bartender's fault. The guy's friend supposedly begged him not to drive, but he didn't listen... To the rest of ya'll joking about drinking & driving, FUCK YOU. You have no idea what it's like to get a phone call at 4:00am to be told your sister is dead cause someone chose to drive drunk. Sunny, I know it doesn't change anything, but I'm very sorry about your sister. (((HUGS to you hun))) I now regret starting this thread. However, I hope we all learned something & this served as a SOBER reminder of what NOT to do... As for people joking about this subject - maybe I missed a part of the thread - but I would never joke about something like this. Again, I'm very sorry, Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #54 March 31, 2008 Texas allowed the passengers of vehicles to consume in the vehicle until 2001 for obvious reasons (driver passes off the beverage to the drive upon being stopped). Mouthwash doesn't effect an Intoxilyzer 5000, which uses deep lung air, well not effecting it beyond the introduction of the small amount of alcohol into your bloodstream. A PBT *could* be effected, but those (where I'm from) are typically considered a rough field guide and not something that is typically admissible in court. I've seen more dead people from involving alcohol and driving then I've seen from anything other reason. That includes people that were killed by the intoxicated driver (who lived). Everyone makes mistakes. Many good and decent people have made the mistake of driving when they shouldn't have. Some of them were caught and took a ride. Some of them made it home safely with a lot of luck. Some of them died. Some of them killed innocent people. With that said, there are still a large number of people on the roadway impaired by some other intoxicant. Many of them on legally obtained prescription drugs. This is your every day good and decent people. They have made the mistake of looking at that bottle of scheduled drugs and see the sticker that says "may cause drowsiness" or "don't operate machinery" and still drive. What they don't realize is that they're DWI and could very easily kill someone. Then there's another group of people that are intoxicated by some other illegal narcotic. Same results. All in all it IS a big deal and it effects every single person, even if that person is a complete tee-totaler.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #55 March 31, 2008 Quote .08 here in GA. Same in AL."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1888 0 #56 April 1, 2008 The difference is tolerance. A professional drinker has acclimated himself to operating on a high BAC & therefore does not show the signs of intoxication, however, he is still under the influence. I am a retired State Trooper and in my state when I started the limit was 0.15. In my 20 years of arresting hundreds of drunk drivers the drunkest appearing person I saw was a teenager at 0.12 and the highest BAC I saw was a 50 year old professional drinker at 0.38. The professional was steady on his feet and exhibited few of the claassic signs, however, he drove like shit. Both were under the influence, but the pro had developed a tolerance to the effects of the booze where the youngster had not. By the way you could drink and drive in many states for years until the Feds threatened the states by withholding federal funds during the 80's. It didn't take the states long to fall in line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #57 April 1, 2008 Quote The difference is tolerance. A professional drinker has acclimated himself to operating on a high BAC & therefore does not show the signs of intoxication, however, he is still under the influence. I am a retired State Trooper and in my state when I started the limit was 0.15. In my 20 years of arresting hundreds of drunk drivers the drunkest appearing person I saw was a teenager at 0.12 and the highest BAC I saw was a 50 year old professional drinker at 0.38. The professional was steady on his feet and exhibited few of the claassic signs, however, he drove like shit. Both were under the influence, but the pro had developed a tolerance to the effects of the booze where the youngster had not. By the way you could drink and drive in many states for years until the Feds threatened the states by withholding federal funds during the 80's. It didn't take the states long to fall in line. Well i agree with most of that but i would say that the pro has learned to adjust their behaviour better. Rather than developing a tllerance to the effects, their relfex skills are still impaired, their reaction times are still imparied their visual accutity is still impaired, all these thing are not easily identified on the road side. but play a VERY critical role in accident avoidanceYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #58 April 1, 2008 Colorado has a lesser "Driving while ability impaired" charge at .05%. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #59 April 1, 2008 All in all it IS a big deal and it effects every single person, even if that person is a complete tee-totaler. Quote Just wondering Dave... When I was living in San Diego, I worked nights and always had a 25 mile commute home, right at 2:00 am when the bars were closing. I got stopped many MANY times......but having just got off work was never detained very long, I was told by a cop once that at that time of night they figured 75% of the people driving were under the influence. Is that really a true rough estimate? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #60 April 1, 2008 California - .08 but for me it's .04 because I have a class A Driver License. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #61 April 1, 2008 Quote All in all it IS a big deal and it effects every single person, even if that person is a complete tee-totaler. Quote Just wondering Dave... When I was living in San Diego, I worked nights and always had a 25 mile commute home, right at 2:00 am when the bars were closing. I got stopped many MANY times......but having just got off work was never detained very long, I was told by a cop once that at that time of night they figured 75% of the people driving were under the influence. Is that really a true rough estimate? Something like that doesn't surprise me [sadly] Another example of a shocking & staggering statistic is that, at any given time 25% of drivers are UNINSURED (at least here in IL.)Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #62 April 1, 2008 Responsibility. Thats all it is, really. Someone who drinks or does drugs knows what will impair them to the point they can no longer drive. The .38 experienced drinker might be perfectly fine at well above the legal limit, but this asian girl I know, was falling down drunk after a single beer. Some people smoke weed and should not be anywhere near a vehicle, but I know of a few stoners that get high so frequently, they would be fine driving not long after. You just have to accept the fact that if you crash and kill someone, you will feel bad (hopefully). You will ask yourself, "self, is there anything I could have done to prevent this." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #63 April 1, 2008 First off, my condolences to those who have lost loved ones through the actions of idiots. Let's look at the numbers Alcohol related deaths in the US since 1982: Total fatalities Alcohol related fatalities .........Total......Alcohol Related Year Number Number Percent 1982 43,945 26,173 60 1983 42,589 24,635 58 1984 44,257 24,762 56 1985 43,825 23,167 53 1986 46,087 25,017 54 1987 46,390 24,094 52 1988 47,087 23,833 51 1989 45,582 22,424 49 1990 44,599 22,587 51 1991 41,508 20,159 49 1992 39,250 18,290 47 1993 40,150 17,908 45 1994 40,716 17,308 43 1995 41,817 17,732 42 1996 42,065 17,749 42 1997 42,013 16,711 40 1998 41,501 16,673 40 1999 41,717 16,572 40 2000 41,945 17,380 41 2001 42,196 17,400 41 2002 43,005 17,524 41 2003 42,643 17,013 40 2004 42,518 16,919 39 2005 43,443 16,885 39 I beleive the only reason the fatality rate has dropped is automobile design. SOmeone will say "but the total rate hasn't dropped". I think its because there are more cars on the road. According to http://www.prb.org/Datafinder/Geography/Summary.aspx?region=70®ion_type=2 the rate of increase in population is .6 per year per one thousand people, or 14 are born and 8 die. If we were to assume this rate of increase in population I think it would be a good assumption that the number of drivers would also increase by this factor. I can't find good information on this, maybe somebody on here can. I'm not good with statistics but it would appear that laws regarding DUI are not really having as much an affect as is auto design. If we looked at gun laws we'd probably see the same thing. Bottom line is you can't legislate away a problem. It will always be about personal responsibility. Have I driven under the influence? Yes. Have I declined to drive when I knew I'd had too much? Yes. I'll bet a good percentage of people on here would answer those questions the same way. No one was standing next to me with a breathalizer so I could make that decision.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #64 April 1, 2008 You can get a small portable breathalyzer called "Alcohawk" & keep it in your car. I highly recommend it. It can be a real eye opener. Sometimes you guess & say to yourself "Well, I feel OK to drive." But a quick breathalyzer test can give you the reality smack-in-the-head you may need at the time. It might save your life, or save you from getting arrested. I have one. Unfortunately they need to be sent back to be recalibrated from time to time (mine is giving me funny numbers, so I guess it's time.) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #65 April 1, 2008 It's .08 in GA and TN, but it changes to .05 if you are involved in an accident._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #66 April 1, 2008 I could believe 75%, that seems like a reasonably true number. They wreck out and it costs everyone. Everyone's insurance rates are effected, your tax dollars are spent in emergency personal dealing with that situation instead of chasing down the guys burglarizing your homes and cars, instead of getting that dope dealer off the street corner, etc.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #67 April 1, 2008 Sad world we live in... Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinkfairy 0 #68 April 1, 2008 Quote it's is measured per cent in the US and der thousands in the US. I am not sure if everybody measures volume or weight ratios. Germany 0.5 if they haven't changed it while i am here and you can drink a beer and drive. Franco Ah, thanks! That used to be the limit in Norway too, and people could drink maybe one beer, but it was still safer not to drink anything at all. I'm sure that applies even when the limit is 0.8. Relax, you can die if you mess up, but it will probably not be by bullet. I'm a BIG, TOUGH BIGWAY FORMATION SKYDIVER! What are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #69 April 1, 2008 Oh I forgot to say, one of my friend's Dads has such an alcohol problem that he has a state required ankle bracelet that records his alcohol level at all times. He is required to plug the device into a phone line (or maybe internet?) once a day or something, and it uploads the info to a computer somewhere. A single sip of booze, and police arrest him and he goes to jail. crazy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #70 April 1, 2008 Quote I was once told that in Texas, you used to be able to drink WHILE driving, & as long as you weren't visibly drunk it was OK... However, I have a hard time believing such was ever the case... According to wikipedia... Quote As of November, 2007, only one state (Mississippi) allows drivers to consume alcohol while driving (as long as the driver stays below the 0.08% blood alcohol content limit for drunk driving), and only eight states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia) allow passengers to consume alcohol while the vehicle is in motion. Still, local laws in these states may limit open containers in vehicles, although those local laws do not impact the state's compliance or noncompliance with TEA-21. Montana's law was similar to Mississippi (driver and passengers could drink, driver couldn't be drunk) until 2005. Personally, I'm opposed to open container laws. I think people should be punished for what they have done, not what they could have done. Having one beer on the way home from work is no more dangerous than having one soda, but there's this thought that one could turn into six, at which point it would be dangerous. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #71 April 1, 2008 Quote Oh I forgot to say, one of my friend's Dads has such an alcohol problem that he has a state required ankle bracelet that records his alcohol level at all times. He is required to plug the device into a phone line (or maybe internet?) once a day or something, and it uploads the info to a computer somewhere. A single sip of booze, and police arrest him and he goes to jail. crazy! Do you know how many alcohol-related arrests he had before they required him to wear the bracelet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #72 April 1, 2008 Several, but I don't think more than 1 DUI. A few drunk in public, and a few domestic disturbance which led to him being arrested because he was hammered and just yelling allot, I believe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1888 0 #73 April 2, 2008 I don't know how statistics are compiled now but years ago if the officer checked the box "had been drinking" the accident was called alcohol related. Had been drinking can mean many things but the box was there & you had to check it off. Of course the driver wasn't arrested unless he was under the influence. I always thought that the reason for this was so that the various agencies could inflate figures to get more funding. So much for statistics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RALFFERS 0 #74 April 2, 2008 Quote Oh I forgot to say, one of my friend's Dads has such an alcohol problem that he has a state required ankle bracelet that records his alcohol level at all times. He is required to plug the device into a phone line (or maybe internet?) once a day or something, and it uploads the info to a computer somewhere. A single sip of booze, and police arrest him and he goes to jail. crazy! HOLY SHIT - it would suck donkey balls to be that guy! I don't now, nor have I ever had a drinking problem, but nonetheless, I don't think I could go my entire life without consuming some alcohol every now & then... (particularly a good whiskey or vodka.) There are some people I know that don't drink at all hough. That's like living life without ever getting a sammwich & a bj - how (more importantly why) would you do that [to yourself] ??? Dialogue/commentary between Divot, Twardo & myself - "from your first Oshkosh when the three of us were riding to or from one of Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #75 April 2, 2008 Quote Quote There are some people I know that don't drink at all hough. That's like living life without ever getting a sammwich & a bj - how (more importantly why) would you do that [to yourself] ??? there are lotas and lots of reasons. I dont touch booze of any sort. either myself or someone else would be seriously injured or dead if i still drank booze. 17.5 years and not a dropYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
