Marisan 0 #1 March 7, 2010 Interesting thread from PPRUNE on gear checks (Non Skydiving but still relevant) on how the human eye (and brain) tend to see what they expect to see and not necessarily what is actually there. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/407864-intreresting-reading-about-human-factors.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jbag 0 #2 March 7, 2010 QuoteInteresting thread from PPRUNE on gear checks (Non Skydiving but still relevant) on how the human eye (and brain) tend to see what they expect to see and not necessarily what is actually there. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/407864-intreresting-reading-about-human-factors.html my first attempt to help :) EDIT: ummm thats a really dumb mistake, just saying.IHYD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #3 March 8, 2010 Quote http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/407864-intreresting-reading-about-human-factors.html my first attempt to help :) EDIT: ummm thats a really dumb mistake, just saying. No more "dumb" than a misrouted chest strap, an uncocked PC, missing legstraps on a wingsuit.... All have occured multiple times, all have contributed to incidents.The end of that report has some interesting information. http://www.wildfirelessons.net/documents/Willow_CA_Final_2009.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #4 March 8, 2010 This is a similar problem to what motorcyclists face on the road. People look straight at you and don't see you. There was a ignoble awarded for a study into this. It was the gorilla and the the ball catching test. I was thinking of this when someone reported that they'd not seen the RSL snap shackle was attached to one of the 3 rings and everyone flamed the shit out of him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #5 March 8, 2010 Quote This is a similar problem to what motorcyclists face on the road. People look straight at you and don't see you. There was a ignoble awarded for a study into this. It was the gorilla and the the ball catching test. I was thinking of this when someone reported that they'd not seen the RSL snap shackle was attached to one of the 3 rings and everyone flamed the shit out of him. What gorilla? I said the first time I saw that short film clip. Nice to know I wasn't the only one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #6 March 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteInteresting thread from PPRUNE on gear checks (Non Skydiving but still relevant) on how the human eye (and brain) tend to see what they expect to see and not necessarily what is actually there. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/407864-intreresting-reading-about-human-factors.html my first attempt to help :) EDIT: ummm thats a really dumb mistake, just saying. BEER"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dninness 4 #7 March 15, 2010 In 1988 my 3 fellow CH-47 crewmembers and I (and whomever might have been under our aircraft during the external load operations) came within about 1/8" of an inch of disaster when a wrench that had been left in the wrong place in a helicopter found its way under a synchronizing driveshaft in flight. The wrench wore a groove in the shaft that spins at about 7,000 RPM, and had that driveshaft separated, it would have resulted in the catastrophic destruction of the aircraft. 4 separate crews (including my crew) had preflighted or performed daily inspections on that aircraft prior to my crew taking it, and 16 sets of eyes missed a 1 1/4" bonney wrench. It can happen.NIN D-19617, AFF-I '19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #8 March 17, 2010 QuoteQuoteInteresting thread from PPRUNE on gear checks (Non Skydiving but still relevant) on how the human eye (and brain) tend to see what they expect to see and not necessarily what is actually there. EDIT: ummm thats a really dumb mistake, just saying.As opposed to a really "smart" mistake??? All mistakes are really dumb in hindsight. I've seen and caught, while climbing to altitude; misrouted 3 ring on a riggers rig, misrouted chest strap, popped main pin, AAD not turned on. All are pretty stupid?? No, the point of the report is what we look at but don't see. If you go at it with the attitude that these are just "stupid" mistakes, it implies that "I don't need to worry about this happening to me because I'm not stupid." A statement that shows either ignorance or stupidity.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites glgflyer 0 #9 March 17, 2010 +1......One thing I have learned along life's way is if you think that you are one who can't make a mistake in this sport then we will probably be reading about you pretty shortly. And yes, that means me too. I think "complacency" could describe this pretty well. So I think when we see something like this OP posted, instead of attacking what appears to be obvious stupidity, we should hope that no one was hurt as a result and let it remind ALL of us just how easy it is to overlook something in this sport that may cost us our lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #10 March 17, 2010 There was a study done some years back regarding that 'little voice' that sometimes tells ya some-thing's not right... Our usual response is to let the minds eye see what 'it wants' to and overlook something that, significant or not, could adversely affect an outcome. We need to train ourselves to do as many pilots do, and that's to listen to that voice within. If you have a feeling something is not right...STOP...look hard, start over, get another opinion if you can't find anything. The study showed that more often than not your subconscious caught something, and you for whatever reason of human nature suppress it away and continue, without addressing the 'feeling'. We all have good & bad days, times when though we realize it or not our attention to task isn't 100%. That's why it's so important to develop good habits of repetition regarding what and how we do things in preparation for & while actually doing things that place us in peril. That make any sense? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites glgflyer 0 #11 March 18, 2010 Very well said!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marisan 0 #12 March 18, 2010 QuoteThere was a study done some years back regarding that 'little voice' that sometimes tells ya some-thing's not right... Our usual response is to let the minds eye see what 'it wants' to and overlook something that, significant or not, could adversely affect an outcome. We need to train ourselves to do as many pilots do, and that's to listen to that voice within. If you have a feeling something is not right...STOP...look hard, start over, get another opinion if you can't find anything. The study showed that more often than not your subconscious caught something, and you for whatever reason of human nature suppress it away and continue, without addressing the 'feeling'. We all have good & bad days, times when though we realize it or not our attention to task isn't 100%. That's why it's so important to develop good habits of repetition regarding what and how we do things in preparation for & while actually doing things that place us in peril. That make any sense? Just for you airtwardo http://fireheli.com/Files/hearingvoices.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #13 March 19, 2010 http://fireheli.com/Files/hearingvoices.pdf ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
glgflyer 0 #9 March 17, 2010 +1......One thing I have learned along life's way is if you think that you are one who can't make a mistake in this sport then we will probably be reading about you pretty shortly. And yes, that means me too. I think "complacency" could describe this pretty well. So I think when we see something like this OP posted, instead of attacking what appears to be obvious stupidity, we should hope that no one was hurt as a result and let it remind ALL of us just how easy it is to overlook something in this sport that may cost us our lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #10 March 17, 2010 There was a study done some years back regarding that 'little voice' that sometimes tells ya some-thing's not right... Our usual response is to let the minds eye see what 'it wants' to and overlook something that, significant or not, could adversely affect an outcome. We need to train ourselves to do as many pilots do, and that's to listen to that voice within. If you have a feeling something is not right...STOP...look hard, start over, get another opinion if you can't find anything. The study showed that more often than not your subconscious caught something, and you for whatever reason of human nature suppress it away and continue, without addressing the 'feeling'. We all have good & bad days, times when though we realize it or not our attention to task isn't 100%. That's why it's so important to develop good habits of repetition regarding what and how we do things in preparation for & while actually doing things that place us in peril. That make any sense? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glgflyer 0 #11 March 18, 2010 Very well said!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisan 0 #12 March 18, 2010 QuoteThere was a study done some years back regarding that 'little voice' that sometimes tells ya some-thing's not right... Our usual response is to let the minds eye see what 'it wants' to and overlook something that, significant or not, could adversely affect an outcome. We need to train ourselves to do as many pilots do, and that's to listen to that voice within. If you have a feeling something is not right...STOP...look hard, start over, get another opinion if you can't find anything. The study showed that more often than not your subconscious caught something, and you for whatever reason of human nature suppress it away and continue, without addressing the 'feeling'. We all have good & bad days, times when though we realize it or not our attention to task isn't 100%. That's why it's so important to develop good habits of repetition regarding what and how we do things in preparation for & while actually doing things that place us in peril. That make any sense? Just for you airtwardo http://fireheli.com/Files/hearingvoices.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 March 19, 2010 http://fireheli.com/Files/hearingvoices.pdf ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
