ACMESkydiver 0 #1 February 27, 2008 -JohnMitchell, what would ATC say? KOMO 4's video (catch it quick, apparently the vids are being pulled down from every location...) ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #2 February 27, 2008 Any other video links? This one is not showing... Never mind, I hit F5 and the video worked that time. So what's the big fucking deal? Looks nothing out of the ordinary, unless he was specifically told not to and did it anyway. Wonder where he got that inspiration from? Top Gun? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #3 February 27, 2008 QuoteYou say that with broken tools you would climb out to fix an aircraft, come on man.. I dont see what the problem is with this. I just read another article and it stated the CEO was in the cockpit when he did this. It was not a revenue flight. So whats the problem. The pilot will probably get his job back. The article said he was one of the most senior captains with Cathay and I bet the union already has filed a grievance. Hell if we fired a jump pilot every time they did a sunset flyby we would all be sitting on the ground on saturday.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #4 February 27, 2008 Wow, that takes balls, man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 February 27, 2008 No, THIS takes balls! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IV9PZW1N9U ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFWAJG 4 #6 February 27, 2008 He said it himself. It's only one "g". He didn't need balls, perfectly safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #7 February 27, 2008 Hmmm, it's a positive G maneuver, meaning your fuel flows properly and your hydraulic pumps don't uncover, but you pull a little + G on entry and exit, nothing an airplane can't handle. I kneeled in the doorway of a Twin Beech doing that type of roll one day. Stayed on the floor the whole way around, no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 February 27, 2008 Quote-JohnMitchell, what would ATC say? Well, I'm a radar guy, not a tower controller, but if he's cleared for a low approach, he owns the runway. As long as he doesn't exceed certain speeds or bend the plane, he should be legal. Doesn't mean his employer would be happy about it. PsychoBob, got anything to add? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #9 February 27, 2008 QuoteQuote-JohnMitchell, what would ATC say? Well, I'm a radar guy, not a tower controller, but if he's cleared for a low approach, he owns the runway. As long as he doesn't exceed certain speeds or bend the plane, he should be legal. Doesn't mean his employer would be happy about it. PsychoBob, got anything to add? According to the newscast I'm watching right now (KTLA) the pilot did not request for this maneuver, nor did he receive clearance to do so. Again, according to the news report, the plane was going 300 mph during the fly-by. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vskydiver 0 #10 February 27, 2008 According to JohnMitchell.... Planes can't fly faster than 287 miles an hour indicated air speed (or 250 knots) below 10,000 ft. He thinks airport traffic areas may have even lower speed limits. (probably have to ask a pilot for a more sure answer on that one) If he didn't have a clearance to buzz a field like that he was a fool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #11 February 27, 2008 Verified that he did not request, nor receive permission for the maneuver. http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=30378 "Pilot Fired for Buzzing Paine Field A daredevil airline pilot has been fired for a "Top Gun-like" stunt at Everett's Paine Field. It was the maiden flight from Everett to Hong Kong for Cathay Pacific Airlines. Shortly after takeoff, Captain Ian Wilkinson swung back around and flew the 230-ton Boeing 777 only 28-feet from the ground. Several VIP passengers were on board at the time. The problem was that he didn't get permission to do that, so the airline fired him. The incident took place at Everett's Paine Field on January 30. At the time the airline said: "We can confirm a fly-by event involving the delivery flight of a Boeing 777-300ER aircraft departing from the manufacturer's plant. "The airline is conducting an internal investigation into the incident, including the collection of flight data, and interviews with the crew involved. The result of the investigation was the termination of Capt Wilkinson, 55. The airline said Wilkinson had not sought or obtained permission for the fly-by and had been dismissed." Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 February 27, 2008 There's aren't enough of these 'stunts' aynmore... The Health & Safety thugs have put the mockers on lifes little adventures (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #13 February 27, 2008 Quote -JohnMitchell, what would ATC say? KOMO 4's video (catch it quick, apparently the vids are being pulled down from every location...) Quote -JohnMitchell, what would ATC say? KOMO 4's video (catch it quick, apparently the vids are being pulled down from every location...) He probably got fired because this is what happened the last time a pilot tried to hotdog an airliner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EM0hDchVlY And here's another example of a pilot hotdogging a plane that has no business doing this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDClXpTnnc Longer version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQa4PpIkOZU&feature=related"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #14 February 27, 2008 Oh come on, don't you know that pilots can do no wrong, nor the airline crew. I'm sure it was ALL under control. There was NO way it would have crashed.... in some peoples opinions.... which is as good as fact. Besides, if it would have crashed, then it would probably be just their time to die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 February 27, 2008 In your first clip, the A320, IIRC that was a failure of the "go around" function during an "auto land" test of the flight control computer. As for the B52, that pilot had a history of show off performance and got away with it because of the old school way of doing things in the AF. As for the Boeing 777, I honestly cannot believe the pilot did not have tower clearance for the "option", he probably did not have company permission for the flyby, but that's a different matter all together.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #16 February 27, 2008 He's 55 yrs old. I'm betting he was ready to call it quits that wanted to go out with a bang. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #17 February 27, 2008 On the bright side, he went through the manuever with plenty of speed and did not risk stalling it out and crashing. It certainly seemed that he knew what he was doing, and how to do it. Now the only thing that matters is whether or not he had permission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 February 27, 2008 On that A320 clip, you don't even hear the engines spool up until it is waaaaaaay too late. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #19 February 27, 2008 Quotethe A320, IIRC that was a failure of the "go around" function during an "auto land" test of the flight control computer. I never knew that. I always wondered why the guy would be slow and dirty for a fly-by, and of course why he didn't power up, and go-around. Now I just wonder why you would test that sort of feature at that field. I would have found the longest runway available, with the least number of obstuctions on the departure end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #20 February 27, 2008 QuoteIn your first clip, the A320, IIRC that was a failure of the "go around" function during an "auto land" test of the flight control computer. As for the B52, that pilot had a history of show off performance and got away with it because of the old school way of doing things in the AF. As for the Boeing 777, I honestly cannot believe the pilot did not have tower clearance for the "option", he probably did not have company permission for the flyby, but that's a different matter all together. Yup, it's always something. Sounds like the company did the right thing. Their only fault was not doing it immediately instead of waiting for it to get a reaction on the internet."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 February 27, 2008 QuoteQuotethe A320, IIRC that was a failure of the "go around" function during an "auto land" test of the flight control computer. I never knew that. I always wondered why the guy would be slow and dirty for a fly-by, and of course why he didn't power up, and go-around. Now I just wonder why you would test that sort of feature at that field. I would have found the longest runway available, with the least number of obstuctions on the departure end. That could be rumor, and we may never know just why..... http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/CRenglish%20phot.pdf---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 February 27, 2008 QuoteHe probably got fired because this is what happened the last time a pilot tried to hotdog an airliner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EM0hDchVlY Try again on that one....not from hotdogging.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #23 February 27, 2008 QuoteIn your first clip, the A320, IIRC that was a failure of the "go around" function during an "auto land" test of the flight control computer. Very interesting read on that air france 296. The black boxes were substituted with fakes? Amazing that there were only 3 fatalities! http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwnco 0 #24 February 27, 2008 Yep!! That is a very famous vid... Those old pilots kick ass!!"Anything I've ever done that ultimately was worthwhile initially scared me to death." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwnco 0 #25 February 27, 2008 There's aren't enough of these 'stunts' aynmore... The Health & Safety thugs have put the mockers on lifes little adventures Totally agree, no more fricking adventure, cant even have a fucking parade with out law suits from fricking lawyers cause someone gets pushed down... Lawyers and Insurance companies make the world a bunch of whinning pussies!!"Anything I've ever done that ultimately was worthwhile initially scared me to death." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
