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Hell, I'd date him just cause he's so good in bed, even if I didn't feel the way I do about him. Now THAT'S a guy's view point for sure!



Yes.

I dare say, if I'd ever openly admitted such a thing, as a guy, there would be a price on my head.:P
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well, I know several people who are "life partners" heterosexal. just becasue they are not married, doesn't mean that they can't be together, and be happy. You are both older, perhaps he has been hurt several times, and he will not say he loves you until he feels safe. after all, as you have boh agreed, it is a non-commitment commitment. If he tells you that he loves you, he is opening himself up to be hurt when you get bored of him and leave. It is far easier to not put that on the table, and the hurt will be a little less.

Honestly, I don't think that you are ready for the type of commitment you are in, or any type of commitment for that matter.
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You say you are in the perfect arrangement, and then you say you are envious of your friends who "have it all." It seems from these inconsistent statements that you feel you are missing something, perhaps an intensity of feeling or a public display of affection and affirmation.

I am not sure whether your guy will eventually come around to this or this is a losing battle for you. I do know that if you have to drag expressions of these feelings out of your guy, it will never feel really genuine, and I think you deserve more. I was with a guy for 6 years who verbally said he loved me infrequently and usually in response to me saying it. He left me for another younger woman. I am now with a guy who looks for excuses to say it, and with feeling and emotion. I can hear it in his voice. I feel so blessed to be rid of the old guy and with the new one.
You call your relationship an "arrangement." That seems like kind of a cold, business-like way to describe it, and unless you are comfortable with the description of it like that, I suggest your words may hold some meaning you might want to explore. Just what is it you desire in a "relationship"? You MAY NOT be ready for any relationship if you can't answer that question precisely. And this has nothing to do with looking around at other women and dissecting that they have. This is about you.

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Yes we guys do like sammiches especially after sex. Don't let these responses fool ya though...there is a pecking order among men and some of us have more than that going on upstairs. Two things...

I don't think you guys are spending near enough time together to be thinking about love and such. I wouldn't tell a woman I loved her after 6 months of seeing her three times a week sometimes only twice. Hell theres enough extra time left over to be dating someone else as well! Don't read too much into the exclusive bit either. Men generally don't like the booty they're getting to be getting got by someone else as well...as a rule of thumb anyway :P

Secondly it sounds like you are in fact hung up on those 3 words which is really immature. It almost sounds like you want to hear him say it, like it was a possession or thing to get. Maybe not but if you really believe what you said about him lying and changing nothing else and you being happy then I think its kinda pointless. Its just words at that point.

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Yes we guys do like sammiches especially after sex. Don't let these responses fool ya though...there is a pecking order among men and some of us have more than that going on upstairs. Two things...

I don't think you guys are spending near enough time together to be thinking about love and such. I wouldn't tell a woman I loved her after 6 months of seeing her three times a week sometimes only twice. Hell theres enough extra time left over to be dating someone else as well! Don't read too much into the exclusive bit either. Men generally don't like the booty they're getting to be getting got by someone else as well...as a rule of thumb anyway :P

Secondly it sounds like you are in fact hung up on those 3 words which is really immature. It almost sounds like you want to hear him say it, like it was a possession or thing to get. Maybe not but if you really believe what you said about him lying and changing nothing else and you being happy then I think its kinda pointless. Its just words at that point.



Take it back - you can't let them know all that!:o
Some team player YOU are.>:(
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Aw come on that was just enough to clarify while still leaving plenty of room for overanalyzation...you just gotta trust me. And hold my beer.

Besides we both know she'll just do what she wants anyway :D and hey...I didn't tell 'em about the sea shells.



Don't even MENTION the shells.:|

and sorry - Both my hands are full of beer already, amature.:ph34r:
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Honestly, I don't think that you are ready for the type of commitment you are in, or any type of commitment for that matter.




Well, that's a very distinct possibility. Which is perhaps why I think it works so well that we spend such a limited amount of time together.
We should not let our fears hold us back from pursuing our hopes.
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

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I don't think you guys are spending near enough time together to be thinking about love and such.



Good point. But remember, I am a girl. :D

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Secondly it sounds like you are in fact hung up on those 3 words which is really immature. It almost sounds like you want to hear him say it, like it was a possession or thing to get.



That's always a danger...am I more interested in "winning him over" than I am in figuring out whether or not I want to win him over?

Good food for thought.
We should not let our fears hold us back from pursuing our hopes.
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

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Aw come on that was just enough to clarify while still leaving plenty of room for overanalyzation...you just gotta trust me. And hold my beer.

Besides we both know she'll just do what she wants anyway :D and hey...I didn't tell 'em about the sea shells.



What? What about the sea shells?!!!!!!!
We should not let our fears hold us back from pursuing our hopes.
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

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Aw come on that was just enough to clarify while still leaving plenty of room for overanalyzation...you just gotta trust me. And hold my beer.

Besides we both know she'll just do what she wants anyway :D and hey...I didn't tell 'em about the sea shells.



What? What about the sea shells?!!!!!!!


SEE!!

There are no seashells.

There is a Shell - and I covet her.
Don't mess with the Shell!
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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so if somthing better came along would you pick up on that and walk away?



Well, I guess I'd be within my rights to do so, as he hasn't made any commitments to me. It's "one day at a time", as he is wont to say.

But I am not actively looking for something "better". As I say, what we have is nice.

I think, with Valentine's Day and all, I just got a little stupid. He told me yesterday about a mutual friend who'd just met a woman and was sure he was "madly in love" with her. I guess I was having a feel sorry for me moment, which is really stupid, since I know what a good thing I have.

Tonight a friend asked me, "What if you met someone who did fall madly in love with you and wanted you to marry him?" I had to respond that we'd have to split up, because that's not anything I'm looking for. So then I have to ask myself, is there really a problem here?
We should not let our fears hold us back from pursuing our hopes.
-- John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

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If he's not saying it, he doesn't feel it.



With all due respect, this is an incorrect assumption, and in saying so, you have revealed that you may not understand the male mind.


You may be right. ;) But I just can't think of too many men who are genuinely in love, but don't say it. Especially when he knows his SO would like to hear it.. as in the OP's case.

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You may be right. ;) But I just can't think of too many men who are genuinely in love, but don't say it. Especially when he knows his SO would like to hear it.. as in the OP's case.



I can! ;)

ETA:
I know this is cheesy as fuck and doesn't prove anything, but it reminded me of an Outkast song:

Got a sweet little darlin' back in my corna'
Below I know I love 'er but act like I don't wanna
Surrounded by the lovely but yet fell like a loner
Could be an organ doner the way I give up my heart, but
Never know because, shit, I never tell 'er
Ask me how I'm feeling I holler that it's irrella'
I don't get myself caught up in the jello jella'
And pudding pops that others opt to call falling in love, but
For the record, have you ever rode a horse?
Like for you to take me to Pluto, I said "of course"
But if you ain't a sweety indeedy I won't endorse
Han Solo til I'm hit by the bullet so may the force
Be with you and I'll hit you when better timing permits
For now show me samples, examples why you're the shit
But how am I to know with the profession that I'm in
And if you do not know me then how could you be my friend?

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This was originally posted by AggieDave, but bears repeating:

Her Diary / His Diary

HER DIARY

Saturday night I thought he was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment. Conversation wasn't flowing so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk, he agreed but he kept quiet and absent. I asked him what was wrong - he said, "Nothing." I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said it had nothing to do with me and not to worry.

On the way home I told him that I loved him, he simply smiled and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior; I don't know why he didn't say, "I love you, too." When we got home I felt as if I had lost him, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there and watched T.V.; he seemed distant and absent.

Finally I decided to go to bed. About 10 minutes later he came to bed and to my surprise he responded to my caress and we made love, but I still felt that he was distracted and his thoughts were somewhere else. I decided that I could not take it anymore, so I decided to confront him with the situation but he had fallen asleep. I started crying and cried until I too fell asleep. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster.



HIS DIARY

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