riddler 0 #1 February 11, 2008 Maybe this should be an issue for speaker's corner, but here goes: QuoteThe French have followed the Irish and Italians in making all bars, restaurants and cafes smoke-free (those sitting outside can still light up). This could be a challenge in a culture so wrapped up in cafe sitting, where people have a decades-old ritual of stopping at the corner cafe for a drink and a smoke. But the movement against second-hand smoke is strong throughout Europe and, as country after country adopts bans, smokers adjust and life goes on. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/getaways/02/08/france.08/index.html They banned smoking in public places in Denver about two years ago, and it's been a relief! I think people have the right to smoke - just not around me I never would have guessed that any country in Europe would adopt a smoking ban, but I'm glad to hear this - it makes the idea of traveling a bit more appealing.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #2 February 11, 2008 Illinois just went smoke free, and I don't really see a dip in the size of crowds at the bars, and I'm in a college town... As a law student, I wonder if Govt should be in the business of dictating things like this, but as a non-smoker, I have zero motivation/desire to do anything to change it back. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #3 February 11, 2008 I love France, but this is too far."If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #4 February 11, 2008 Look, I'm a good conservative, and I don't believe that we should have our paws in private business. BUT,, on this issue I'm 100% for it. It's simple to me. For the sake of the workers and for the customers. For the Workers. Waiters, Waitresses, bussers, et cetera - The government has in almost every situation regulated safe workplace requirements. In coal mines, there is clean air requirements, and those go for almost any profession. What would happen to an employer who required their workers to work in a paint booth without a mask? Well, I don't see much of a difference. A waitress working in a smoky bar in being forced to work in an environment with well beyond the acceptable level of toxins in the air for any other profession. For the customers - I have worked with our health department on several occasion in setting up statistical models to watch food safety. They take it very seriously. Every food serving location is monitored yearly with inspections, and for problem places, they come every few months. Why not monitor the levels of toxins in the air as well?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 February 11, 2008 Quote Illinois just went smoke free, and I don't really see a dip in the size of crowds at the bars, and I'm in a college town... As a law student, I wonder if Govt should be in the business of dictating things like this, but as a non-smoker, I have zero motivation/desire to do anything to change it back. the change is in how long they STAY in the bars, particularly the restaurant bars. I'll admit to getting used to smoke free bars in Arizona (dont smoke but it doesnt really bother me either) and that being in Texas (where you can smoke almost anywhere) was a bit of a shock again (particularly the number of otherwise hot chicks who smell like cigass) however this should be entirely an economic decision (by the owners and those who 'vote with their dollars) not a political one.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #6 February 11, 2008 QuoteI love France, but this is too far. Why so? Smoking in a closed environment in the presence of non-smokers is a major pain in the ass for those forced to breath death in a smoke cloud. And I've smoked 24 years... Hong Kong has also gone smokeless in public indoor places and at the workplace. That surprised me... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #7 February 11, 2008 Quotehot chicks who smell like cigass No such thing as a hot chick that smokes. Soon as she lights up, she loses 8 points on the 10-point system.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #8 February 11, 2008 Quotehowever this should be entirely an economic decision (by the owners and those who 'vote with their dollars) not a political one. It's not politics, it's health, and if you're going to trust a bar owner with your health then you're Philip Morris. I design air systems in buildings and we take great measures in ensuring that air is safe with the threat of serious lawsuits if it's not. It amazes me that when it comes to a bar or a restaurant people all of a sudden think it's OK for there to be a toxic stinking cloud of smoke."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micduran 0 #9 February 11, 2008 And the timing couldn't be better. We fly to Paris in less than 2 weeks. Be patient with the faults of others; they have to be patient with yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #10 February 11, 2008 we are smoke free in public enclosures here in OZ tooYou should have heard the joy comming from people when they entered the Bent Prop and found out it was smoke free You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jverley 1 #11 February 11, 2008 This is not a good thing. The cigarette smoke covered up the fact that those people do not bathe regularly. John Arizona Hiking Trails Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #12 February 11, 2008 Quote It's not politics, it's health, and if you're going to trust a bar owner with your health then you're Philip Morris. If there were any shred of truth to that, any at all.....all non-smokers would've been dead, a long, long time ago. You're confusing fashion, with fact."T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micduran 0 #13 February 11, 2008 I know I'd need at least a month to do an OZ vacation any justice. Be patient with the faults of others; they have to be patient with yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #14 February 11, 2008 Quote And the timing couldn't be better. We fly to Paris in less than 2 weeks. http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSL1116061520080211 Good Luck! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #15 February 11, 2008 Quote Quote It's not politics, it's health, and if you're going to trust a bar owner with your health then you're Philip Morris. If there were any shred of truth to that, any at all.....all non-smokers would've been dead, a long, long time ago. You're confusing fashion, with fact. Uh? Smoking is not hazardous to one's health? Being exposed to cigarette smoke is not hazardous to one's health? Fuck fashion. Body bags are not fashionable. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #16 February 11, 2008 Body bags are not fashionable. Quote Black before labor day is so 70's ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micduran 0 #17 February 11, 2008 Great I understand there is always some sort of worker's strike going on over there. It will really suck if we can't even get there. Be patient with the faults of others; they have to be patient with yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #18 February 11, 2008 Quote Quote Quote It's not politics, it's health, and if you're going to trust a bar owner with your health then you're Philip Morris. If there were any shred of truth to that, any at all.....all non-smokers would've been dead, a long, long time ago. You're confusing fashion, with fact. Uh? Smoking is not hazardous to one's health? Being exposed to cigarette smoke is not hazardous to one's health? Fuck fashion. Body bags are not fashionable. IF it were truly hazardous, it'd be illegal....just like drugs. No connection has ever been made, between smoking and cancer....lots of rhetoric and bs claims but no positive proof. I know dozens of people who've died from lung or throat cancer and only one, ever smoked (cigars)."T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #19 February 11, 2008 Quote This is not a good thing. The cigarette smoke covered up the fact that those people do not bathe regularly. Funny guy Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 February 11, 2008 We've had one downside with our local restaurants since the ban. The wait is longer since they are getting a TON more business now. If I was a restaurant owner, I'd be pissed as I would have had smokefree restaurants from day one, and the ban just made all the other restaurants more competitive even though the owners were idiots for not seeing the opportunity on their own. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #21 February 11, 2008 New Zealand is smoke free Australis is France is Scotland is Ireland is. You can not smoke indoors in alot of western countries, no place of business or in any company car. I am a smoker but i think that is the right way. Smoking kills you, just because i am having a hard time stopping should not mean i have a right to kill people around that dont smoke. The sale of smokes should also be illegal and i am sure it will be in many countries over the next 10 years. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #22 February 11, 2008 Quote IF it were truly hazardous, it'd be illegal....just like drugs. No connection has ever been made, between smoking and cancer....lots of rhetoric and bs claims but no positive proof. WOW. Unbelivable. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #23 February 11, 2008 it'd be illegal....just like drugs. Quote Drugs are Illegal? When did THAT happen??? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #24 February 11, 2008 These countries all have smoking bans in public places and restaurants and buildings etc..... Many more are coming into effect next year. New Zealand is smoke free Australis is France is Scotland is Ireland is. Vietnam Argentina Brazil Most of canada many places in chilie China Cuba Denmark Estonia Germany Guernsey Hong Kong Soon to be Hungary Iceland Indonesia Israel Italy Kazakhstan Lithuania Malta Netherlands from July Norway Peru Portugal Singapore Most places in spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Uganda Wales uruguay For France ot have a smoking ban is not really news, it has been announced for a long time now it was coming in effect. Most of the world will be smoke free in years to come but as you can see by this list, most of the major countries in the world are smoke free in public places. This is not something we should argue with. Smoking kills people, It is a needless way to die. It kills people who dont smoke and that is no fair on them. I wish i did not smoke. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #25 February 11, 2008 Quote being in Texas (where you can smoke almost anywhere) Texas cities with at least a partial smoking ban: Odessa Austin El Paso Laredo Lubbock New Braunfels Dallas (bars exempt) Houston Beaumont It's not everywhere, but it's a start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
