BadDog 0 #76 March 19, 2003 Thought I would bump this. Our team has been growing in numbers and our team ranking has been improving almost every day. If you're not on the team, take a look and consider it. http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=31515 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #77 March 19, 2003 Quote Someone should tell Sangiro to put a blurb about this on the main page. Why don't we put up a prize for the top 10 dz.commers in a month or something? Any ideas? Girls? Although a nice idea, it wouldn't really be fair to those running old 266's compared to the newer1-2 gigs, not to mention someone who can run it on his servers.... I know, a free Gold Membership to dropzone.com to those that stay with the group! It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #78 March 19, 2003 I just started it up last night. By this morning, I was 1% done, and I have a 700 Mhz P3. It's going to be LOOOOOONG month. WendyThere is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajones 0 #79 March 19, 2003 I agree. I don't want to turn this into an internal competition. It's nearly impossible, for me at least, to not make most everything competitive. I choose, instead, to look at our team standing. Currently we are #792. We joined as team #31515, so I'd say we're doing well. I am thinking, instead, of giving some free internet time at the WFFC to anyone who is a team member. Nerds, like me, with a multi-processor folding machine should not be encouraged by prizes like girls (especially since I already have the best one). The laws of physics are strictly enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #80 March 19, 2003 We should be getting even better soon. Some more have come on board, and I just finished my second WU and downloaded the 3rd. It'll be on the board soon! Edit: I still say a Gold membership to Dropzone.com would be cool! 2nd edit: Woo Hoo, the one I just got is worth 47 points! It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #81 March 19, 2003 Hey, come on, it was a joke I mean, not everyone can afford a multiprocessing mofo, especially if they blew all their money on learning to jump and some new gear...The free internet time is a good idea. It shouldn't become a competition, but some minor token of recognition for participating may encourage people to at least read the thread and make a decision. I still say a link on the homepage to the team stats and this thread could go a long way. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #82 March 19, 2003 QuoteOur team has been growing in numbers and our team ranking has been improving almost every day. If you're not on the team, take a look and consider it. http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=31515 come on people, join the team and do some good... woohoo, i've completed two! Team Stats peacehttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #83 March 20, 2003 QuoteI agree. I don't want to turn this into an internal competition. It's nearly impossible, for me at least, to not make most everything competitive. I choose, instead, to look at our team standing. Currently we are #792. We joined as team #31515, so I'd say we're doing well. I am thinking, instead, of giving some free internet time at the WFFC to anyone who is a team member. Nerds, like me, with a multi-processor folding machine should not be encouraged by prizes like girls (especially since I already have the best one). i got the best nerd in the bunchhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #84 March 21, 2003 Hey ... that stats page doesn't show the one I'm currently on!! It's a pretty weird name, and has 600 frames! Have no idea what it is, how many credits I get, or anything! Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #85 March 21, 2003 Kewl TB... Thanks. Ok Guys, here's the list of cool people on dz.com: Rank (within team) User Score WU 1 Cajones 773.89 25 2 Jerm 505.41 23 3 Cajun 323.94 13 4 BadDog_Skydiving_Gear 290.91 9 5 sfc 243.1 6 6 Eugene_Eisenstein 232.27 9 7 Phreezone 231.77 7 8 AndyMan! 204.9 12 9 R2hubert 176.86 5 10 mickb 170.49 4 11 RichM 169.47 7 12 aufreefly 128.57 4 13 TB99 118.5 4 14 Lil'_Jon 98.8 3 15 QuickDraw 94.2 3 16 piriya 88.76 5 17 lewmonst 63.17 2 18 skydyvr 49.54 3 19 Rev_Jim 43.3 2 20 Iflyme 23.6 1 21 Kris 19.7 1 22 SkydiveMonkey 19.7 1 23 bunky 19.7 1 If you want to be cool, join the force: Quote To help in this effort is very easy. You simply download a program from http://folding.stanford.edu/. And install it on your computer. The program only runs when you are not using your computer, so it doesn't interfere with any work you are doing. When you install the program, you can also join the dropzone.com team. Simply put "31515" for your team number. You can also do this later, or change to a different team at any time. Thanks to everyone who has joined!!! you all rock! peacehttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB99 0 #86 March 21, 2003 I love doing simple things like this to help in the littlest bit ... I've donated over 2 gallons of plasma. They used my plasma to make Hepititis-B vaccines because somehow I was born with the anti-bodies in my blood. I also love giving money to the St Judes Children's Hospital funds!!! Kids are totally awesome, and I KNOW St Judes is really taking care of them with my money!! Now there's this ... I can only hope it's really helping in some way!! These things really are effortless, I just don't see why not? Trailer 11/12 was the best. Thanks for the memories ... you guys rocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #87 March 21, 2003 im running it on both puters hopefuly ill showup on the list soon....if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #88 March 21, 2003 I don't think your name appears on the list until you've finished at least one work unit. I'm 9% done, and my screen shows the right team name. But I'm not on the list. I don't stay hooked up all the time since I'm on a modem. But I am cool. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #89 March 21, 2003 Yes you're COOL Correct, no show until you have completed one unit. You don't have to stay on-line, you just need to go online when it has finished the work unit. Just leave your PC on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #90 March 21, 2003 Ok...got it up and running on 2 pcs. I have 3 proliant servers at work I use for testing (2 of them dual processor). I'll set up on them next week. Anyone know if the software is written to take advantage of multi-processors? Nevermind...found the answer: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Last updated February 19, 2003) Topics: Project details, big picture What is protein folding? Who "owns" the results? What will happen to them? How can I see how many other people are participating? What has been "folded" so far? And how much have I folded so far? Why don't you post the source code? What has the project completed so far? What about security issues? Why not just run on a supercompter? Can I run Folding@Home on a machine I don't own? Networking problems I have a modem, can I use Folding@home? I'm behind a firewall, can I use Folding@home? I'm running multiple machines behind a firewall. Can they all have the same username? Errors Folding@home installer for Windows doesn't do anything. Folding@home looks strange (windows) or segfaults (Linux) My screensaver just looks like a black screen with dots floating around. What gives? Windows asks for some DLL. Where can I find it? I get an error like "Format:MyForm not found" when I try to download. I get an error like "Network Recv Timeout" in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt). I get an error like "Running self tests.......test failed, error -1" in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt), but it seems to be running OK after that. I get an error like "Running self tests.......test failed, error -1" in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt), and it dies. When I'm running the screensaver, it crashes, and says something about a page fault. Folding@Home and Genome@Home I've heard that Genome@Home is now in Folding@Home. How does that work? Can I choose just one, give a preference, or run both? Why merge clients? Running I just finished a WU and now I got another for the same protein. Is there something wrong? Does Folding@home work on dual processor machines? Is there anything special I need to do to run on a cluster? Why should I update my Folding@home software to the current version? How do I run the screen saver when nobody is logged on? How do the results get back to you? Can I download more than one unit at a time? How long does it take to finish a work unit? Can I run both screensaver and console version at the same time? What happens if I run two console versions at the same time? How can I make sure my results are being sent back and used? How can I tell how much work I've processed? Why does adjusting the core process priority via the task manager not affect its performance? How do I manually adjust the priority of the Folding@home core? Can I run Folding@home when SETI@home is running? Are there limits to how long my machine can take to finish a work unit? Can I run the Linux version on Free-BSD? What is simulation instability? Statistics, usernames, teams, etc How can I change my username? How can I join/start a team? I'm running multiple machines behind a firewall. Can they all have the same username? Are there any characters I should avoid in a username? How do you decide how much credit a work unit is worth? How do you set the deadlines? What happened to my stats from F@H 1.x? Screen saver issues Should I run the screen saver or console version? What's the screen saver showing? My monitor is set to turn off after a while. Can I still run the screensaver? Does the screen saver use a lot of CPU time? Will extra 3D hardware help make the screensaver go faster? How do I shut down the screensaver? Misc Where did the logo come from? How much power/money is used by keeping a F@H running 24/7 on a computer? Do you have web buttons that I can download to to use with links to your site? What about security issues? Why no IRIX/Solaris/etc version? What are you going to add in later versions of the software? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Project details, big picture: What is protein folding? Please see our scientific background section for more details. Who "owns" the results? What will happen to them? Unlike other distributed computing projects, Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it. Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site. How can I see how many other people are participating? What has been "folded" so far? And how much have I folded so far? We keep many types of statistics of users and work accomplished on our web page. You can check out your Individual stats, Team stats, and overall project stats. Why don't you post the source code? We are working on a version of our code which is appropriate for release. More information will follow. Unlike many computer projects, the paramount concern is not functionality, but the scientific integrity, and posting the source code in a way that would allow people to reverse engineer the code to produce bogus scientific results would make the whole project pointless. What has the project completed so far? (As of June 2002) We have been able to fold several proteins in the 5-10 microsecond time range with experimental validation of our folding kinetics. This is a fundamental advance over previous work. Scientific papers detailing our results can be found at http://folding.stanford.edu/papers.html. We are now moving to other important proteins used in structural biology studies of folding as well as proteins involved in disease. Why not just use a supercomputer? Modern supercomputers are essentially clusters of hundreds of processors linked by fast networking. The speed of these processors is comparable to (and often slower than) those found in PCs! Thus, if an algorithm (like ours) does not need the fast networking, it will run just as fast on a supercluster as a supercomputer. However, our application needs not the hundreds of processors found in modern supercomputers, but hundreds of thousands of processors. Hence, the calculations performed on Folding@Home would not be possible by any other means! Moreover, even if we were given exclusive access to all of the supercomputers in the world, we would still have fewer cycles than we do with the Folding@Home cluster! This is possible since PC processors are now very fast and there are hundreds of millions of PCs sitting idle in the world. Can I run Folding@Home on a machine I don't own? Please only run Folding@Home on machines you either own or on which you have the permission of the owner to run our software. Any other use of Folding@Home violates our license agreement (and just isn't a good idea in general). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Networking problems: I have a modem, can I use Folding@home? Yes. It can be configured to dial up automatically, or wait until you connect. There may be some problems with modems and the screen saver version. If you are experiencing any, please use the console version of Folding@Home. I'm behind a firewall, can I use Folding@home? Yes. Please configure your Firewall or Proxy server in the config panel. You can reach the config panel by right clicking in the graphical display or by clicking on the task bar icon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Errors Folding@home Windows installer doesn't do anything If you are attempting to install the Windows graphical client or screensaver, and see "Setup is starting..." pop up, but then nothing else happen (no error message even), the problem is likely due to the presence of files named "setup.exe" in some directory present in your path (likely culprits are the directory in which the F@h installer is, your Desktop, and your temp directory). Remember that you may have multiple temp directories, depending on your operating system. Delete or move the setup.exe files and all should work fine. Folding@home looks strange (windows) or segfaults (Linux) Folding@home requires at least 32 MB of RAM. Weird things happen under windows with less memory and the console client simply segfaults under linux under low memory conditions. My screensaver just looks like a black screen with little dots floating around. What gives? We think we have diagnosed this problem. It appears to be caused by a monitor or graphics card that does not support 8-bit color. Also, we have found problems with old graphics drivers. If you are having problems, please make sure that you have the most recent graphics and OpenGL drivers. Windows asks for some DLL. Where can I find it? Microsoft has these DLLs on their site. In particular, you need DLLs for winsock2 and OpenGL. These are built into most copies of windows NT, 98, and 2000. However, many copies of windows 95 do not have these. The Windows socket 2 update for Microsoft Windows 95 resolves a number of Winsock2 issues. This update also resolves a number of TCP/IP stack issues. OpenGL 1.1 for Windows 95 is included in the Windows 95 OSR 2 release. The libraries are also available as the self-extracting archive file on the Microsoft ftp site at ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/opengl95.exe. This contains opengl32.dll which is needed to run OpenGL programs under Win95. I get an error like "Format:MyForm not found" when I try to download. This appears to be an error with Stanford's server, not our computers, and we are trying to identify the exact cause of the problem. It is fairly rare, however, and for now we suggest trying again at a later time. I get an error like "Network Recv Timeout" or in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt). If you get something like: Deleting files IP = 171.64.122.81 Network Recv Timeout GetWork Failed then don't worry. It is having problems connecting to the server, and is waiting to try again. We have a few server problems right now, and many users are having this same problem. Just wait for a while, and it will connect. If it fails to connect for a day or so, it might be best to start it over again or reinstall. For the console version, hit Cntl-C to exit gracefully (note: this feature was recently added in, so it may not work for your version, and you may have to kill it instead), and start it again. I get an error like "Running self tests.......test failed, error -1" in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt), but it seems to be running OK after that. Don't worry, if it seems to be working fine, it is. This error message is part of the Cosm distributed computing library upon which Folding@home is based, and as far as we have been able to tell, does not affect normal functioning of the Folding@home programs . I get an error like "Running self tests.......test failed, error -1" in the console version (or in the file scrlog.txt), and it dies. Uninstall, make sure the foldingathome folder in the "Program Files" folder has been removed, and reinstall. Most of the time, this should work. When I'm running the screensaver, it crashes, and says something about a page fault. If you get something like this: The error message reads FOLDINGATHOME caused an invalid page fault in module FOLDINGATHOME.SCR at 015f:00420494. followed by a bazillion dialog boxes you have to click away, there is not enough memory for the screensaver to start. Suggestions for solving this are closing other applications when the screensaver is running, and setting the wait time higher (perhaps 5 or 10 minutes), so that the screensaver won't come on while you are working. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folding@Home and Genome@Home What is Genome@Home and how does it relate to the Folding@Home project and the science of Folding@Home? Genome@Home is another distributed computing project also from the Pande Lab. You can find more details at http://genomeathome.stanford.edu, but briefly Genome@Home's goal is protein design and its applications. One central application of ours for protein design is the creation of large libraries of designed protein sequences, in a sense "redesigning" or "reverse-engineering" an existing Genome (hence the name "Genome@Home"). Another application of protein design is to understand why proteins fold and why they misfold and aggregate. This is a central question of Folding@Home and directly relates to our study of protein folding and misfolding, as it is related to misfolding-related diseases, such as Alzheimer's, ALS, etc. How can I choose F@H or G@H, just give a preference, or allow the client to be flexible? We've built a lot of flexibility into the client. In particular 1) Some want to run only 1 project 2) Some want to have a preference for 1 and fall back to the other 3) Some just want to help and want to contribute WUs to the most needed project at the moment. So, the client will have choices. If you give a G@H team, you'll run G@H. If you have only a preference, not a "demand", then you can choose so in the client. If you don't care, then leave the defaults. If you wanted only one type (eg only G@H) by setting your team and got another, that's a bug and we'll look into fixing that. We understand how important this is. We are working to try to merge our infrastructure to long term simplify things server side as well as to give us flexibility to do the best science. We understand stats are important and are trying to work out as described above. One thing to note is that if you use the -advmethods flag to get our newest Cores and work units, then this will override any preference you may set. Why merge the two clients? Our goal is to use distributed computing to do science which would not be possible without distributed computing. I'd prefer to put my group's time into doing science, rather than administering a distributed computing system. It's much simpler for us to run 1 infrastructure for the two projects, rather than 2 different infrastructures, hence the union. This will allow my team to concentrate on the results and the science. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Running I just finished a WU and now I got another for the same protein. Is there something wrong? No, most likely everything is fine. We're studying the dynamics of a few proteins, so you're likely to get the same protein to work on multiple times. Each WU gives us additional information about the dynamics of that protein, so it is important to us. Indeed, if we did only 1 WU per protein, we would not learn very much. Does Folding@home run on dual processor machines? Yes, you can. Additional processors must run the console version (with the "-local" command-line argument if run on Windows). First, make additional directories for each processor and copy the FAH3Console executable file into each. Then configure them with the -config switch, filling in settings for each. It is very important to make sure that under the "Advanced Settings" option each copy is given a unique machine ID (from 1 to 4). The first copy will default to a machine ID of 1, so additional copies should be given IDs of 2, 3 and 4. Each may then be run out of their installed directory, using the -local switch on windows. Instances should be attached to different processors, using whatever mechanism your OS provides for this purpose (e.g. Task Manager on Windows). We have been working on a multiple processor version with parallelized code using OpenMP. However, we have discovered that OpenMP parallelized code does not scale very well at all with processor number with our code. So we are investigating other options for parallelization, and a final date for a parallelized version is uncertain at this time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #91 March 21, 2003 Quote Anyone know if the software is written to take advantage of multi-processors? Well, yes and no. The software CAN run on 2 procs, not it won't do it by itself. Install the software and set it up, get it running. Then make a copy of the install directory called like folding2 or somesuch. go into the new directory and open the client.cfg file in your favorite text editor (so long as it saves actualy text), and look for the line: machineid=1 Change the 1 to a 2, save and start up the second one by running the exe from the directory. You should now have soemthing close to max load on both procs. It;s worth noting that there's a console-only version of the program on the site, and that may be happier running as the second process. I'm running on about 2 hrs of sleep, and i can't quite remember EXACTLY what i did, but i have this running on a few boxen and it's working great. Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajones 0 #92 March 21, 2003 F@H is not multi-threaded, so it does not use more than one processor. You can run multiple instances by setting processor affinity as Jerm mentioned. I have it running four ways on my edit machine, and wrote a script and registry edit to run them as services. This only works with the console version, so you lose the pretty pictures. The strange unit TB is working on is most likely a human genome unit. The human genome project and folding project are closely related (refer to the humongous cut and paste in an earlier post), and folding clients are sometimes given genome units (I've done 4 that I am aware of, and have two processors set to ask for them - if they are available). I do not think you get F@H credit for genome units. It may be because I asked for the genome units, though. If you need some help setting it up on multiple processors, let me know and I'll send the scripts and some step-by-steps. The laws of physics are strictly enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #93 March 21, 2003 so.. was that a brittish/australian camera person that took that picture? Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #94 March 22, 2003 Holy crap...only meant to post the part about multi-processing...whoops. Can't edit now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #95 March 22, 2003 I found there's some text only binaries that work better on multi-proc systems, moreover - they don't show up in the task bar, and can be run as a service. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #96 March 22, 2003 It looks like the pages are offline currently since my PC has been unable to get a new WU for 6 hours and I can't login currently.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #97 March 22, 2003 I haven't been able to get in since last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #98 March 22, 2003 Count me in on Folding@Home. We'll see if the boxes stay stable... In the meantime, I'm folding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #99 March 22, 2003 It's back online now!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #100 March 24, 2003 bump... i finally posted up on the list! http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=31515if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
