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Walt, thank you for the laugh. Not only do I enjoy our PM exchanges, but this post....
What's even more funny is I'm watching parts of Barbarella at the moment. Believe it or not, it's abou to be re-issued (again).
OK, I'll STFU now.
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Walt, thank you for the laugh. Not only do I enjoy our PM exchanges, but this post....
What's even more funny is I'm watching parts of Barbarella at the moment. Believe it or not, it's abou to be re-issued (again).
OK, I'll STFU now.
No need for *you* to STFU but Jane Fonda's a totally different story. The cool part about Barbarella is it's just as good with the sound muted.
Walt
Quotefact that Krakauer mis-reported the identity of one individual who walked off a cliff, then you have to question his credibility.
Mis-report? He was in the death-zone! He was lucky to remember to put one foot in front of the other! He was convinced of the identity of that person for quite a while, however if I remember correctly (mind you it's been a while since I've read the book) he later corrected himself.
As for Boukreev, let me just say he was the product of communist Russia where one's life's goal was to please and better your government, especially if you were a high profile athlete. You were supposed to do as you were told no matter how you got there.
I know I lived it for 18 years.
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"I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food."
QuoteQuoteWalt has taught many people how to properly make stall turns at 65ft and I think that has served skydivers everywhere a great amount!!!!!!!!
Man, I would have *sworn* nobody was watching when I did that!
I truly don't recommend it, even if I actually do it occasionally.
Walt
I will never let you down on that one!!!!!!!!!!
"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"
QuoteQuotefact that Krakauer mis-reported the identity of one individual who walked off a cliff, then you have to question his credibility.
Mis-report? He was in the death-zone! He was lucky to remember to put one foot in front of the other! He was convinced of the identity of that person for quite a while, however if I remember correctly (mind you it's been a while since I've read the book) he later corrected himself.
As for Boukreev, let me just say he was the product of communist Russia where one's life's goal was to please and better your government, especially if you were a high profile athlete. You were supposed to do as you were told no matter how you got there.
I know I lived it for 18 years.![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
Ma'am,
It's understandable to excuse someone for not thinking clearly while in the "Death Zone" and it's even understandable that their personal recollection of exactly how events unfolded while there would be clouded. I also understand that he later corrected himself however, it wasn't until he had already mis-reported the event in a national publication and after his account was challenged by others who were present that night. Sure, he felt terrible about making the mistake in the first place and even worse that he had already published it. But if he was wrong about that, could he have been wrong about some of Anatoli's actions as well? I know it doesn't always happen, but people who report the "news" and especially those of Krakauer's stature have a responsibility to get the facts right. I admire him for admitting his mistake but his credibility was still damaged.
QuoteQuoteQuotefact that Krakauer mis-reported the identity of one individual who walked off a cliff, then you have to question his credibility.
Mis-report? He was in the death-zone! He was lucky to remember to put one foot in front of the other! He was convinced of the identity of that person for quite a while, however if I remember correctly (mind you it's been a while since I've read the book) he later corrected himself.
As for Boukreev, let me just say he was the product of communist Russia where one's life's goal was to please and better your government, especially if you were a high profile athlete. You were supposed to do as you were told no matter how you got there.
I know I lived it for 18 years.
Ma'am,
It's understandable to excuse someone for not thinking clearly while in the "Death Zone" and it's even understandable that their personal recollection of exactly how events unfolded while there would be clouded. I also understand that he later corrected himself however, it wasn't until he had already mis-reported the event in a national publication and after his account was challenged by others who were present that night. Sure, he felt terrible about making the mistake in the first place and even worse that he had already published it. But if he was wrong about that, could he have been wrong about some of Anatoli's actions as well? I know it doesn't always happen, but people who report the "news" and especially those of Krakauer's stature have a responsibility to get the facts right. I admire him for admitting his mistake but his credibility was still damaged.
If you have taken the time to look at any photos of climbers on Everest, how in the hell do you know who is who?????????? If you went to another DZ that you had never been to before, no chance in hell you could name the people gear'd up. And too, the Russian was not much help to anyone on any team....and from what I understand, Russians take a different approach to climbing than the rest of the world.
"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"
I can see...I GOTTA GET THOSE BOOKS!
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
I can see where being a celebrity and all, you could get kinda confused, so I'll offer my services. If you ever encounter a set of circumstances where you are dealing with the "real world" and are wondering whether you should STFU or not, just let me know what the circumstances are and I'll tell you.
I'm pretty sure that I would tell you that you need to STFU on rare occasions because, you seem to have good instincts. As far as I can tell, you come out with some intelligent, well-reasoned (when not being overly-passionate) stuff that is worth reading or listening too. That may not always be the case, though.
Here are some examples where I'd say STFU would be the best choice:
* If you ever feel like saying, "Rosie O'Donnell rocks!!!!" at an NRA meeting, you should probably STFU.
* If you ever feel like saying, "I don't know who I worship more--Sean Penn or Jane Fonda!", you should probably STFU.
* If you ever feel like saying, "Wow, Madonna really *does* make a lot of sense!", yeah it's probably time to STFU.
* If you ever think, "Walt's an ok guy!", not only should you STFU, but you should get professional help!
Anyway, even if you aren't interested now, the offer stands. Just tryin' to do my part to make the world a better place.
Walt
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